What do you folks over there in Australia think about this?

Here in America, we generally look at 'compliance' with criminals similarly to 'negotiating with terrorists'- don't do it! It emboldens them to escalate the frequency of their activity. Additionally, just letting folks invade your home and take your stuff is, well, weak.

Im fairly confident that if LE were to broadcast this sort of 'be compliant, let them take your stuff' message in the US, it would be met with something between hysterical laughter and outrage in all but a few very pacified places.

Is Melbourne one of those ultra-pacified places, or is this the prevailing notion across Australia? Or perhaps there is outrage that I'm just not being exposed to way over here in Self Defense land?

What's your take?



Video of interview containing quote and context accessed from here:
http://www.firearmownersunited.com/...asion-says-neil-mitchell-and-victoria-police/

 

Victorians deserve what they get

 

Which is why we do NOT have a civil arms race here in Aus. Household burglaries are almost invariably done by unarmed youths looking for quick money. The LAST thing we want is the sort of escalation you are seeing in the USA where crooks carry guns because they might run into a homeowner carrying a gun, which means more homeowners buying bigger and nastier weaponry. It is a wonder it has not yet come to gangs in the US driving tanks and threatening homeowners

 

Given that even armed crooks avoid invading homes in areas with high rates of household gun ownership, I don't think they're carrying guns 'because they might run into a homeowner carrying a gun.' If that was their purpose, we would see a lot more home invasions in rural areas where folks sometimes don't even lock their doors at night and police response is drastically delayed. Its likely crooks carry guns for a different reason...

 

Proof?

 

Proof that home invaders avoid rural America?

Here's some hard evidence. More recent stats and stats specifically involving home invasions are illusive, but I'll bet they're similar to these below. As the graphs show, both violent crime and property crime are far more heavily concentrated per capita to urban and suburban areas relative to rural areas.

http://victimsofcrime.org/docs/defa...rban-rural-crime-statistics-2014.pdf?sfvrsn=2

 

Goal post shift

Proof there is any correlation between gun ownership and reduced crime
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/

 

No. You need to clarify your responses before you can claim 'goal post shift'. You asked "Proof?" I provided proof. Try specifying that which you want proof of.

There aren't any mind readers here. You need to use your words.

If you had requested 'Proof there is any correlation between gun ownership and reduced crime?' I would have told you I don't have proof, which is precisely why I used the word 'likely'.

 

Mate,
the thing which would worry me most is if everyone can legally carry a gun.
It is the 21st century, where guns shouldn't be allowed in any highly civilized country.
But I can see why that is still going at your place, with a one man show running (ruining?) the country, and maybe, the world's peace process.
Very safe that country of yours is, with mass shootings at schools how many times a year?
Reg.

 

Which is why I posted a link showing positive correlation

More guns = more crime

 

What about other weapons? Do you think its a good idea to respond to a home invasion with 'take whatever you want, I wont get in your way'?

 

Nothing in your link suggested that gun ownership promotes crime. It merely shows that crimes are more likely to be committed with a gun when guns are available. Which is kindof a no-brainer...

 

well I just came across this, this morning... suppose there's an answer for you... some people fork out $1000 per day to stay safe in Melbourne

A furious Melbourne man is spending $1000 per day on armed guards to protect his home
https://www.news.com.au/news/nation...e/news-story/93d04ec37623f50389748a6b04d7da6b

According to some he's spending A$1000 a day on something that doesn't really exist

 

So the rich can still protect themselves with guns in Australia, just not average folks.

Interesting.

 

yes... I'm toast

 

Actually yes,
that is the best response, except you are die hard American, with the no pain, no brain attitude.
No personal offence meant,
regards

 

You said guns shouldn't be allowed in highly civilized countries... yet another poster linked about a melbourne couple spending (allegedly) $1000 per day to protect themselves with armed security. Given that they're still paying for it, it seems to be working. Are they 'uncivilized'?

 

Yes, maybe.
Or mental retards, or failed by our police protection and/or jurisdiction system.
In that case it becomes tricky, however.....
No one should live in fear, and that is the reason why weapons should be abolished to start with....
Look at us, how many mass shootings did we have since Tasmania? Or look at Europe.....
Weapons are the reason people get killed, and it is a stupid argument to come up with claiming weapon will protect us...
Reg.

 

See,
I strongly believe the only way for us human beings is to get rid of weapons, we can't handle them, and people do get paranoid or else.
There was a time in the 80'ties with Gorbachev and Reagan, which set the world on the right path.
Two real world leaders, not the scum we have these days....
Reg.

 

I have to agree with Wombat that Jim Jeffries has just about summed up the Australian attitude to guns

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...er-for-us-gun-control.550064/#post-1070167507

 

There is more to this story. He confronted those thugs then spent a ridiculous amount of money on security instead of installing some floodlights, cameras and pop up signs saying “smile you’re on candid camera!”

CC TV works.

 

He probably already has cctv. Has not deterred them. They know the cops are weak and have no power. Andrews has effectively cut off their gonads.

This behaviour is not isolated just unreported. A friend of mine told me last month his 65 year old mother was accosted by a gang of african youths at a tram stop. They stole her bag and threatened to assault her. She was scared to death, and thanks to a young Asian tourist who loaned her his phone to call her son, she was able to return home. They contacted the police who took a statement and nothing more has been done. She has not left her house since.

Why should people have to tolerate this behaviour? Why should we accept this? The left keep telling us that we must fight back against racism and sexism, at all costs. But then in the same breathe they tell us to accept this kind of criminal behaviour! Let them have whatever you worked your guts out for.

I am sick of the excuses and the rotten ideology coming from the apologists in our society.

 

I don’t condone criminal behaviour but neither do I agree with someone trying to br a vigilante as that bloke was trying to do.

 

BB people generally don’t adopt a vigilante attitude if they feel safe. It has become apparent that police have lost control in Melbourne.

 

Ups,
we should always stand up against racism, always.
Now because of some stupid African gangs all of black people will receive a belting. That's how it is.
Why not make penalties much harder, or if those thugs are caught, send them back where they came from.
Please don't use the lefties to deter from a weak jurisdiction....
Unfounded racism is a growing problem.....
reg.