What do you think of the states editing the US Constitution???

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  1. JakeStarkey

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    The one certainly does not follow the other.
     
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    And such a convention will not be held in our lifetimes.
     
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    1. There is a host of problems with the concept of congressional term limits. Either (a) you're ignorant of them, or (b) you're too naive to accept them.

    2. "50 different ways of doing things to determine which is right"? Lol. No.

    3. The National Debt is a boogeyman. Every nation is in debt. Western Europe's debt is several times greater than the US's. If the "house of cards" collapses, then that's the end of civilization. And that ain't gonna happen; nobody is going to bite off their nose to spite their face.
     
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    The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.

    Considering the collective we can't even agree on what's for lunch today good luck finding consensus to amend the Constitution. Obviously it can be done but the likelihood is quite low...
     
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    Can't make any sense outa this either.

    Apparently, from your perspective, that's a feature, not a bug.
     
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    Will Constitutional toilet paper be ammended with the new revisions?
     
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    But an Article V is for the purpose of proposing amendments, which requires 2/3 of the states to ask for it.
    The point I was speaking to was per a state "editing" the Constitution to suit itself, which appeared to be the subject of the post.
    Attempts to bypass constitutional guidelines have been showing up from time to time, and there is never a shortage of legislators who think they can create loopholes or special wording that exempts what they want to do. I'm not able to recall examples that fit that description without research,but I do remember this coming up several times in recent years.. I see it somewhat like the sanctuary cities electing to arbitrarily ignore federal immigration law. When following a law becomes elective, there is no law.

    I have no objection to the constitution being properly revised, I do have objections to it being evaded and ignored.
     
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    Legally, the only time a part of the constitution can not be rewritten is if it an emendment specifically makes it so. There are currently no parts of the constitution which are given such protection. Therefore, if a constitutional convention is called, the entire document can be rewritten. The Supreme Court has upheld more than once the fact that the right to amend the constitution must also include the right to rewrite the document, accept where the constitution specicially prohibits it, which, as I said before, is no longer an issue.


    A few of the founders, such as Thomas Jefferson, wanted regular scheduled constitutional conventions in order to ensure the document is kept up to date with the times.
     
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    It might or might not. But it will not be determined by local, state, or federal law, or Congress, or the executive branch, or SCOTUS. It will be determined by 34 state legislatures.
     
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    I assumed the thread was about Article V. But if not I agree 100% that states should not be allowed to nullify US law or "edit" the constitution. In the case of sanctuaries I think governors, county leaders, mayors, sheriffs, police chiefs, and/or county and state attorneys ought to serve time.
     
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    Article V says a convention of the states can be held for the purpose of amending the constitution. In a far out hypothetical they could write amendments to change the whole thing but the chances of that even being attempted is less than 0%
     
  12. JakeStarkey

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    Nope, the feds will prevent, no doubt about that.
     
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    Once more, unless some feds can find a way to overthrow or ignore the constitution, they can't.
     
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    Of course, they can. You can't stop them.
     
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    Unless you know the minds of the men and women that would be sent how can you say that? Who influences them? What money have they accepted under the table? Which ones are altruistic or corrupt? I mean you are talking about unknowns in all of this. You have a goal for the convention but there is no way you can say that the people sent will agree with your goals. In fact I would say the only guarantee is that rich and powerful people will be the most influential in the process.
     
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    Ayuh,... My guess is, this hit, 'n run poster is another nitwit from NYS, as there is a question on the ballot, about the New York State Constitution,....
    Which I'll be votin' Yes on,....
     
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    So you think there are people out there who would undertake to rewrite the entire constitution and then get 3/4 of the state legislatures to approve for a few thousand dollars? A few million dollars (payable upon success)? My goal is that a convention of the states will address what they consider very needed and helpful amendments to the constitution. Anyone who doesn't agree with me won't go.
     
  18. Crawdadr

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    Man, first I know guys that would do almost anything for a $100. But we are talking about the future government of the United states. We would be speaking about billions of dollars from special interests. It would literally be the most important document of the entire century. There is not a person or government in the world that would not be impacted and all of them would want their interests protected or promoted.
     

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