What Happened to Quid Pro Quo and Bribery and Extortion?

If Trump had been afforded his 100 day honeymoon and things had been going along normally, and suddenly there were hearings and articles of impeachment, then maybe people would take this seriously.

 

(Scratching head) Well since not even these knee jerk endorsers of all things Dem Party leadership in nature are willing to even take a stab at addressing WHY Nancy and company shifted from their bold specifics of last week to vague generalities amounting to shrieking that 'Trump won't become a leftist!' let me give it a try. If they were to have gone with those previously asserted specifics then they would immediately have to produce their proof and allow the Senate -- shudder! -- to cross examine people OBVIOUSLY filled with hatred for Trump who possibly have cut a deal with Pelosi and company to do this.

But vague generalities that mean nothing but hurt feelings? They get a show trial at government expense during which they will fling as much poo as possible while hoping that less intelligent people -- meaning generic Dem Party voters -- will believe that Trump MUST be guilty of something. Unfortunately the critical group they need to convince, however, are the independents who already have signaled that they are NOT buying into this leftist generated impeachment farce. Oops!

 

Correct; but since there wasn't any honeymoon period at all and since there was the OBVIOUS politically partisan farce of the Trump/Russia investigation followed up by the secondary farce of Obstruction of Justice the nation is already fed up with this partisan garbage and so this is not going to work out in the Dem Party's political favor as their more or less stupid leadership jerk them once more into the mire.

 

The differences will be that no one will have to make up fake charges against a Democrat and the media will vigorously defend a Democrat.

 

The last one is the most profound. The dems claim holding up ad for that one quarter endangered Ukraine's national security, and yet during Obama's time in office he gave them ZERO military aid, while he was ignoring treaties and sitting on his hands. Just like Obama did when ISIS was killing, raping and pillaging in Iaq.

 

This is why I do want to see the Senate take this up, and have a trail. I want to see the Senate utterly destroy the partisan idiocy of the TDS afflicted Pelosi-Schiff House

If the dems claim Trump only inquired about Biden's firing of the prosecutor was done for personal political gain, then give Trump a chance to lay out all the gruesome facts, that prompted him to think something untoward or corrupt, took place.

 

What are you talking about, and who are you directing your comments to?

 

So if he testifies and lies, will you support convicting him just like when the Dem president was impeached for lying about the BJ?

 

Anyone currently bending over backwards to defend this president.

 

When Bill Clinton was lying to a federal judge is was a crime. To cite an article of impeachment that Clinton committed the crime of perjury, was not conjecture or opinion, it was a fact.

I do not think Clinton's lying should have resulted in impeachment and removing him from office. Lying to cover up a sexual affair, while it was not appropriate behavior for a president, it did not rise to the level of impeachment. Impeachment is for very serious crimes that betray the nation, like treason or other high crimes.

There is no fact evidence to impeach Trump. All the House has presented is conjecture and opinion of what they think Trump's motives or intentions were. If we can impeach a president because we think he intended to commit crimes, or we parse his words and infer what his motivations might be, then no president can ever withstand future impeachments.

 

No one is bending over backwards, they ask only one simple question, "where is your fact evidence?" And you have no answer.

 

So tell me this, if you were being accused of a crime, and documents that you were asked to hand over exonerated you, would you try everything in your power to stop all records, from being send forward? He has challenged everything. Must be very damming!

 

So you mean nothing that has went before has any effect at all? I thought the whole basis of common law was that we followed precedent? Precedent is a lot more than suggestion, it is law.

My understanding of why these subpoenas still go through is that the President is claiming this is not EXACTLY like what happened before and that is something that can logically be taken to court

And in any case what's vastly amusing to me is how all the Trumpers think everyone is sitting around debating the finer points and giving Trump every benefit of every doubt. BULL fracking FECES my child. The Liar in Chief has shot that bolt about the time he claimed that 4 million people voted illegally,( so he won the popular vote too), and showed us the invisible cheering throngs at his inauguration. NOBODY I know who is not wearing their KAG hat in the shower has ANY doubt that Trump did each and every thing he is accused of and probably more. The ONLY thing this Republican Liefest is doing is SCARING people, because it assures all of us more and more that Trump and the Trumpers intend very much to turn the USA into Redneckotopia and the Fourth Reich if he gets a 2nd term and that frightens the beejezus out of even most rednecks, like me. We're well aware of how quickly the favored group can turn on its own

And the one thing that will most certainly override a prosperous economy, as it does everything else, is fear

 

I partially agree. Many dems and repubs love the power, control and authority that trillion dollar deficit spending gives them. they pass laws just to give them more power and control. They abuse the power of their office to enrich themselves and their friends and family.

The difference is the few Republican and Democrats who are Constitutional conservatives. they want our Congress to control federal spending, not leave a monstrous debt to our grandchildren, and not abuse the power of their office to engage in crony-capitalism. Sadly there are very few Democrats and not enough Republicans who are Constitutionalists.

 

The House has no explicit constitutional authority or power to investigate the president just as the president has no authority or power to investigate congress. The president's executive privilege is embedded in the constitution and the House cannot override the constitution and ignore executive privilege.

 

If i am being accused of a crime, the first thing I will want to see, is the fact evidence against me. If there is no evidence against me, then I would be afraid it was just a witch trial. The second thing I would want want to discover, is if the process being used to prosecute me was fair and just.

There is no evidence against Trump, and the process is completely unfair, and it's grossly biased against Trump. It's also being led by people who hate Trump, and Republicans are being forbidden from calling witnesses, refused to submit evidence and refused from fully questioning witnesses.

 

Wouldn't it be entertaining if the Executive branch could impeach members of Congress?

 

Our leftists know this. But they figure that they will worry about future leftist presidents in the future. Mostly they BELIEVE that since they own the ideological loyalty of the MSM that its endless spinning and covering for leftist wrongdoing will serve to protect a future Dem Party president from any sort of karmic repercussions. They refuse to believe that increasingly only the collective Left actually believes in the veracity of MSM political coverage. Pretty much these leftists looking to this obviously bogus impeachment as a political game changer in their favor are like fully armored knights from the front without any part of their backside covered or armored. Ouch!

 

He’s in the park yelling at the squirrels.

 

Plus, the Democrats already know that Republicans have never used opinion and conjecture to impeach a president.

They know that Republicans did not start impeachment inquires against Obama, even though he clearly violated federal laws, violated the Constitution, and ignored rulings by federal judges.

In other words, the dems don't think repubs would not disgrace themselves and try this same dirty impeachment sham that Pelosi is engaged in.

 

Alas . . . the integrity of the GOP sort of depends on up and comers and what THEY consider to be ethical and permissible regarding political gamesmanship. Will they continue to cleave to the truth with an emphasis on doing the right things or will they start slipping into the dark side of things and start acting more like the anti-ethical collective political Left? One never knows.

 

As usual.. they'll stomp that flaming bag of poo until it splatters on them.. here's a quid por quo from The One. https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...isher_got_65_million_book_deal_in_return.html got great deal from Netflix for his attempt at "net neutrality".
I have long tho't that book deals are payoffs of some sort, just could never quite figure out for what..in this case the common core legislation is pretty clear ofn the benefit to the publishers

 

Vladimir Putin must be laughing his a** off, because he succeeded in causing strife among the American people with his interference in the 2016 election and as a result, Congress is making a fool of itself!

 

Interesting point since the dem clown show is doing everything it can to instill fear.

 

No reaction. Trump's fans can't even defend themselves.

Or, they are agreeing with me. They support Trump's friendly relationship with his patron, Vladimir Putin.