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What happened to the souls of those who died on September 11, 2001?

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by DennisTate, Jan 16, 2016.

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Do NDE accounts fit with my understanding of scriptures?

  1. Yes...... but I did go through cognitive dissonance to understand this!

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  2. No.... the "dead know not anything!"

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  3. Yes..... that is obvious and more theologians should talk about this.

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  4. No... NDE accounts are wishful illusions produced by brain chemicals!

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Scientific" is a word and is subject to definition.......
    you and I can have somewhat different standards that we are looking for......
     
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    What'll happen to the souls of those who venge 9/11?
    What happen'll to the souls of those who committed 9/11?
    What happen'll to the souls of those who committed reasons to arise reasons to seek out an attack against America that lead up to 9/11?
    Do two wrongs make a right when it comes to judgement and murder and war in the name of peace and justice?
     
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    I'd like to think the innocent victims of 9/11 are in heaven/paradise/bliss/reborn and on their journey.
     
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    Well actually I have standards. You have mythology and fairy tales.
     
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    These myths and fairy tales as you call them give me....... and my daughter........ a pretty high level of peace of mind / Shalom, how are your supposedly higher standards working for you when it comes to those?


    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/christian-andreason.html#a04h

     
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    Good questions..... Dr. P. M. H. Atwater did go into some of what she saw happening to the terrorists after they died.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-into-a-tall-building-is-bad-theology.342917/


    OBE evidence that driving a plane into a tall building is bad theology!???
     
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    I was watching this TV how called Banged Up Abroad, this episode was the true story a man from America who was kidnapped in the Philippines by Filipino Islamic Extremists, and he was telling it and reenacting it with a cast of actors and actresses and he said, they interrogated and tortured him for information they wanted and the guy/the survivor said he remembered something to the effect of...

    "I was above myself."
    "I saw myself and them, the tops of their heads, I was looking down, I was looking down and I felt sorry for them" 'the ones torturing him'...

    And this TV show 'Banged Up Abroad' just reenacted it as he said it, but him never using the words 'out of body experience'.

    I was sitting at home watching it going
    "What?"
     
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    Yup...... being tortured can be added to the list of Triggers for the near death experience or out of the body experience.

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/triggers.html
     
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    But how ethical would it be to torture someone to the point to see if they can see hidden items from up above.
    You'd have to be a cold hearted bastard to even think of such an experiment.
    I guess objects in hospitals is little more humane but a lot less conclusive and thankfully less systematic.
    Torturing somebody for information is ugly and doing it to answer questions like this is wrong because no one's lives could be saved from the results.
     
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    True...... even the Extreme Gravity experiments probably left
    some ethical questions in some minds.

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/triggers/extreme-gravity.html

    The Trigger of Extreme Gravity:
    Dr. James Winnery's NDE Research
     
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    Who cares. Peace of mind is easy. Knowledge and intelligence take effort.
     
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    Actually......... the almost obvious implications of String Theory is that we humans are highly unlikely to be either the first major intelligence in the universe / Multiverse.......... or the greatest intelligence / Intelligence / Intelligences!

    This is a scary concept..... I can understand why you try so hard to avoid the rather simple logic that indicates this.


    www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/

     
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    Please do not pretend that you understand string theory. It has nothing to do with intelligence in the universe.
     
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    If you are serious about this statement..... then it is obvious that i understand some of the obvious implications of String Theory better than you do!

    All you need to do is read post #87 again...
    read this article on the Law of Complexity Consciousness.....
    and think for a while about it all!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Complexity-Consciousness
     
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    Most NDE's follow what the person is taught. If someone is taught there there is a heaven, they will likely see heaven in a NDE. If they are taught that when you die you go to a world made of laffy taffy and have sex with millions of clones of Mariah Carrey, they will likely see that.

    Only Christians tends to have NDE's that involve Christian symbolism. But, to most Christians, the fact that everyone else who has NDE do not experience the same as they do is irrelevant.
     
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    The deaths of 59 people in the Las Vegas shooting makes this topic relevant again.......
     
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    This information is one part of a series of revelations that can assist Americans to be more at peace...... less angry..... and less paranoid.


    Here is some other useful information:

    Iran Admits To Facilitating 9/11 Terror Attacks


     
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    This is nut case stuff.
     
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    That is one possibility.........
    but another quite real possibility is that we humans..... are relatively young.....
    and relatively weak in comparison to other alien life forms...... especially the ones that would be extra-dimensional...... rather than merely extra-terrestrial?!

    If... you ever take the time to read all..... and I mean all.... of Robert Mendelson's book.... 'God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land'..... and / or his other book....... 'The Way of Holiness and the Sacred Hoop'...... you might perhaps begin to take near death experience accounts........ or out of boy experiences more seriously........
    because Robert..... who I have spoken to on the phone quite a number of times.... states that he never could have figured all of that out were it not for his OOBE or NDE or whatever it was from 1992..... that gave him the foundation for his two books......

    Where did Intelligence begin, in matter or fundamental energy?
    and......

    God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land, Hebrew and Arabic.
     
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    I don't see any connection here.

    As for Israel, they want Palestinian land and find ways to justify ethnic cleansing of what they want. There isn't any question about that. And, there is no reason to believe it has to do with the supernatural or even religion. Religion gets used for political purpose numerous times throughout history. Suggesting Israel needs all the land to the Jordan because the Bible told them so is not religion - it's a humanitarian atrocity perpetrated by avarice.

    Alien life forms should not be used to escape from the reality in which we find ourselves. It isn't ALL magic.
     
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    On one level the connection is that many near death experiencers experience a SURGE IN IQ..... and other mental gifts.........

    Peace in the Middle East is arguably the world's most challenging question..... and nobody has dealt with it quite like Mr. Robert Mendelson.

    My reasoning as to why Israel must remain one nation..... and be able to patrol the land over the West Bank at least by air... .is because their nation many not be militarily defensible if they give up the West Bank.

    Robert's idea of one nation... with two states.... is really quite brilliant.
     
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    Israel "Give up the West Bank"???

    What the HELL are you talking about?

    The West Bank is absolutely NOT theirs to "give up".

    Ethnic cleansing is not a legitimate way to acquire land.

    Military force is not an acceptable way for a nation to extend its borders.
     
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    The country unable to defend itself is Palestine.
     
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    Beliefs do affect NDE's.... there is some validity to that... but you would be amazed how similar NDE's in India are to those in America!
     
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    This dualistic conclusion is too narrow and limited. There are MANY choices other than the two you mentioned.
     
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