What has Feminism taken away from you?

The language? I really meant it lightly with the second line and all. I should have smileyed.

 

'rape culture' 'patriarchy' the 'wage gap' 'men are the only perpetrators of domestic violence and women are the only victims of domestic violence' 'men can't be raped' 'gender is a social construct' 'Affirmative Action' 'Genderless Bathrooms' ec cetera

 

Yes, you do. How do you exact your revange against your boyfriend otherwise? Imagine, you can't scare him, and you can't even ride him to break his bones.

 

wait, a male lesbian feminist? sheesh!

Nope, just a very common variety of female.

 

At 110 lbs I could jump down on him from the bookcase! Bet that would bust a sternum!

Anyway, I fight with words, not physically. We've only been together for a few weeks so no fights yet.

 

as you've said before, "off you go"

off you go most likely to a forum that uses anti-intellectualism to silence any and all opinions other than feminist opinions

therefore, you can be around other like minded people and come up with theories like slouching leads to rape and no one will say how ridiculous such a theory is and then you can influence public policy and a law can be created based on this theory that people are forced to pay taxes to enforce because slouching leads to rape

off you go

 

Are you on LSD?

 

If there's one thing I've learned from observing feminist argumentation, it's that most of them are just jealous that different women achieved the devotion of the alpha males.

 

Do YOU guys think you are Alpha males???? lolololol

 

Oh now I understand. Feminism is a form of witchcraft I think, it is, right? Can you write a few spells for my use too? I want to cast a spell that makes every girl in every country shapely.

 

What is LSD? One of those old people things?

 

It is a powerful hallucinogenic...and you seem to be HALLUCINATING!

 

You are not very bright, are you?

 

Like I said in my previous post, my problem with feminism is that it makes me think before I speak and I don't like that. Now what shall I do?

 

There is a super-Alpha male category too.

 

I suppose there is.

 

Does the Super part involve the Alpha-Ego?

In my experience any man who needs to claim Alpha status likely does not fit into it. Alphas are usually noted as such by the pack, and instil submission.

 

You make me laugh! What to do? How about...
Make friends?

 

Again, I categorized Inferno as a feminist, but there begins the problem. There are hundreds or thousands of feminists groups, sects, individuals or schools. If I discuss feminism - a term that is not copyright protected - everyone of these groups claim to be the feminist school for itsself. Therefore I gave just the example that there are countless feminists who would deny everyone the right to call herself a feminist who advocates the legalization of prostitution. Nevertheless most of them would agree on the fact that I "as a man" have no right to categorize there at all.

I am not generalizing, but I sum up a group of people as feminists based on certain similiarities and characteristics. Its the same when I talk about Socialists, Christian Democrats, Liberals etc. Most of the time there is no problem with that. Problems occur when you apply that on intolerant ideologies. It is natural that I categorize fanatic religous Shiite extremists as Islamists. Nevertheless a Salafist would reply to that they are Kafirs just like me who are created to suffer in hell, from his his point of view no muslims at all. From my point of view, Shiite extremists as well Sunni fanatics (extreme Salafists or Wahabites) are just Islamists. It depends from the point of view.

To be precise, when you dont like that, how would you define feminism or what kind of feminism are you talking about when you raised that topic?

Maybe in this case, when you go back to times in which women were not allowed to vote. Sorry, this "for or against us" attitude occurs in almost every discussion with feminists. Either you support their program or you are their enemy. There is no space for "rape is a crime to be dealt with with the instruments of a state of law", either you support their "definition power" or you are pro-rapist from their point of view. In my experience.

 

Some of the women who wave the "feminist" flag are a disgrace and embarrassment.

Its the same for any thinking Christian who sees the Jim andTammy Oral roberts / Swaggert etc sorts, the creationists and the witlesses at work.

As for me, I am expressing my feminism this morning by cleaning house, doing laundry,and getting some lunch together to eat with my boyfriend

 

If you don't believe in patriarchy (i.e. women are oppressed by men) then I don't know how you could call yourself a feminist.

 

Below are some quotes from feminists who are authors, a former congress women, a feminist magazine editor, a supreme court justice, and a feminist dictionary:


"All men are rapists and that's all they are"
— Marilyn French, Authoress; (later, advisoress to Al Gore's Presidential Campaign.)

"I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He's just incapable of it."
— Barbara Jordan; Former Congresswoman

"Men are rapists, batterers, plunderers, killers; these same men are religious prophets, poets, heroes, figures of romance, adventure, accomplishment, figures ennobled by tragedy and defeat. Men have claimed the earth, called it 'Her'. Men ruin Her. Men have airplanes, guns, bombs, poisonous gases, weapons so perverse and deadly that they defy any authentically human imagination."
— Andrea Dworkin, "Pornography: Men Possessing Women"

"As long as some men use physical force to subjugate females, all men need not. The knowledge that some men do suffices to threaten all women. He can beat or kill the woman he claims to love; he can rape women...he can sexually molest his daughters... THE VAST MAJORITY OF MEN IN THE WORLD DO ONE OR MORE OF THE ABOVE."
— Marilyn French

"I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them."
— Robin Morgan, "Ms. Magazine" Editor

"Under patriarchy, every woman's son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman."
— Andrea Dworkin


"And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual (male), it may be mainly a quantitative difference."
— Susan Griffin, "Rape: The All-American Crime"

In a speech in Banff, Canada, Andrea Dworkin exhorted her audience to "stop men who beat women", "Get them jailed or get them killed. ... When the law fails us, we cannot fail each other."

"Men, as a group, tend to be abusive, either verbally, sexually or emotionally. There are always the exceptions, but they are few and far between (I am married to one of them). There are different levels of violence and abuse and individual men buy into this system by varying degrees. But the male power structure always remains intact."
— Message on FEMISA, responding to a request for arguments that men are unnecessary for a child to grow into mature adulthood

"Women have their faults. Men have only two: everything they say, and everything they do."
— graffiti frequently found on university campuses with active feminist movements



From 'A feminist Dictionary', edited by Kramarae and Triechler, Pandora Press, 1985:

MALE:...represents a variant of or deviation from the category of female. The first males were mutants...the male sex represents a degeneration and deformity of the female.

MAN:...an obsolete life form... an ordinary creature who needs to be watched...a contradictory baby-man...

TESTOSTERONE POISONING: ... 'Until now it has been though that the level of testosterone in men is normal simply because they have it. But if you consider how abnormal their behavior is, then you are led to the hypothesis that almost all men are suffering from "testosterone poisoning."

Sonia Sotomayor: Supreme Court Justice
"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."

 

I have to give taikoo credit. This is the first time I've heard a feminist denounce the hate and supremacy promoted by other feminists.

 

Am i the only one thinking feminist women are basically traumatized/unhappy girls who want revenge? I mean... nothing comes out of nothing, there must be always something pushing things out. One of my friends, a girl, is a feminist, she says the society is controlled by male, women are not free, men are enslavers by nature and so on.... but then i look at her and i only see an unhappy person in urge to discharge her frustration over something.

If we want to build a better world for everyone i think we should stop with the archaic habit to discharge every fault over a single group/gender and try to grow up as humans, it's time to leave our childhood behind. One good step would be if both males and females were to immedesimate themselves as if they were of the opposite gender, so that women understood how humiliating for a man could be accused of rape and to be an unintelligent being, and men could understand the difficulties of the other sex. Think about it before yelling out your rage or write it down on books.

 

Good advice all around, including those who stereotype all who consider themselves "feminist".

My experience with men has not exactly been all joyous, I have issues that are hard for me to work thru, concerning men.

Im not out for revenge, tho.

A lot of men also seem out for revenge, or whatever is their motive exactly for the brutal treatment they enjoy inflicting on women.

I have no trouble understanding how humiliating it would be to be falsely accused of rape. Possibly as much as .001 %? of what it is to actually be raped. But it would be bad, sure. To be accused of any ugly immoral crime would be bad. Im sorry for anyone who has to experience such a thing.

It would be extraordinarliy difficult for me to mete out to anyone what was done to me.

Im not looking for revenge, tho.