What if the Obstruction Was the Collusion?

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is what it looks like and the truth will eventually come out but the FBI and DOJ are in CYA mode.
     
  2. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is a Trumpian hoax.
     
  3. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean like the wrong Cohen in the dossier? It is surmised that came from an NSA search by insiders, passed to Steele as a way to launder it.
     
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    There is much more evidence of that than any Muh Russia collusion.
     
  5. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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  6. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Intimidation, Pressure and Humiliation: Inside Trump’s Two-Year War on the Investigations Encircling Him
    President Trump’s efforts have exposed him to accusations of obstruction of justice as Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, finishes his work.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

    WASHINGTON — As federal prosecutors in Manhattan gathered evidence late last year about President Trump’s role in silencing women with hush payments during the 2016 campaign, Mr. Trump called Matthew G. Whitaker, his newly installed attorney general, with a question. He asked whether Geoffrey S. Berman, the United States attorney for the Southern District of New York and a Trump ally, could be put in charge of the widening investigation, according to several American officials with direct knowledge of the call.

    Mr. Whitaker, who had privately told associates that part of his role at the Justice Department was to “jump on a grenade” for the president, knew he could not put Mr. Berman in charge because Mr. Berman had already recused himself from the investigation. The president soon soured on Mr. Whitaker, as he often does with his aides, and complained about his inability to pull levers at the Justice Department that could make the president’s many legal problems go away.

    Trying to install a perceived loyalist atop a widening inquiry is a familiar tactic for Mr. Trump, who has been struggling to beat back the investigations that have consumed his presidency. His efforts have exposed him to accusations of obstruction of justice as Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, finishes his work investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election.
     
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    Because they havn't presented it. I don't know about you, but in order for someone to prove something to me, they have to show me the proof.
     
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    Translation "we couldn't find any Russian collusion after wasting two years...Let's take a different word, and say that means collusion"....OK I'm sold! Great plan! I like it!
     
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    That is likely the truth.
     
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    That is a belief commonly held by people looking at it honestly.
     
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    Disparate facts or desperate facts?
     
  12. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Disparate.

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  13. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "The story of Mr. Trump’s attempts to defang the investigations has been voluminously covered in the news media, to such a degree that many Americans have lost track of how unusual his behavior is. But fusing the strands reveals an extraordinary story of a president who has attacked the law enforcement apparatus of his own government like no other president in history, and who has turned the effort into an obsession. Mr. Trump has done it with the same tactics he once used in his business empire: demanding fierce loyalty from employees, applying pressure tactics to keep people in line and protecting the brand — himself — at all costs."
     
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    If I was treated like Trump your graph would be more huge. The attacks would be piled a mile high. :)

    The man has shown great restraint. I don’t like everything he does but I admire him for that.
     
  15. Lee Atwater

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    Restraint? I think it's fair to assume you say that because you accept the "hoax" canard.

    "But fusing the strands reveals an extraordinary story of a president who has attacked the law enforcement apparatus of his own government like no other president in history,"
     
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    It’s like political dyslexia. You’ve got it backwards.

    If Bobby ever puts out any kind of report I fear there will be great weeping and gnashing of teeth. You may need a mouth guard. :)

    But who knows, Bobby could have the goods and is just keeping us all in suspense for fun.
     
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    What obstruction??? What collusion???
     
  18. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can you name another prez who has so routinely attacked the FBI and DOJ as well as individual members of both agencies?
     
  19. Lee Atwater

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    Trump Denial Syndrome is strong with you.
     
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    Nope. It’s refreshing to see him do so isn’t it?
     
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    Instead of ad hominems why not try answering the questions: What obstruction? What collusion? And please answer in generally accepted legal definitions of the terms, not whatever annoys you.
     
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    If I had some ham, I'd have some ham and eggs, if I had some eggs.
     
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    agreed, the dems obstruction is the collusion, their collusion with foreign entities to sway the elections... 'bout time a dem leftie realizes their party are colluding obstructionists!!!

    lock up those obstructionist, colluding dems!!! asap!!!
     
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    Regardless of the facts, evidence and commons sense, that is what the ones carrying water for this crime syndicate are instructed to do.
     
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  25. Lee Atwater

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    No doubt Vlad thinks so.
     

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