What if the Obstruction Was the Collusion?

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I recommend sourcing information from sites other than Don's apologists and research it yourself.

    While doing so, think in terms of what your reaction would be if you substitute Hillary's name for Don's.
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who listens to Rachel Maddow ?
    She's so screwed up in the head she thinks she's a dude.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    None that say Trump is absolutely guilty. On the other hand there is an FBI report that says Hilary is guilty.
     
  4. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Honestly, what good does it do you to engage in these fantasies? BTW, have you contacted Rudy to make sure he includes the sterling "but Hillary is guilty" defense when confronted by Mueller? If charges are brought against Don perhaps Rudy will bring up Whitewater.........or Vince Foster's death..........or Hillary's involvement in the child sex ring. You know........all the usual wingnut memes.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What fantasy? Do you somehow believe that storing, transmitting and receiving classified information in a device not certified for that purpose is not against the law?
     
  6. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A very big part of the rationale for the attacks on Comey are not necessarily tied to his involvement in the investigation in to Don's campaign and their repeated contacts (that were concealed) with Russians. Much of it has to do with giving Trumpette's a pretense for rejecting the FBI's findings with respect to Hillary and the server controversy. You get that, right? So when I post an article like this............

    FBI director says Clinton did not lie, break law in email handling

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...lie-break-law-in-email-handling-idUSKCN0ZN1LS

    ...................you can use the baseless smears against Comey to indulge your fantasy.
     
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    Putin is playing you guys like a fiddle. You are dividing and weakening this country over things that never happened.

    Just because Dems/Progs think they pulled off the fraud of claiming to be the party of anti bigotry and inclusion doesn’t mean you’re going to get away with this fraud. Dems/progs are birds of a feather with the likes of Putin. You are all big government authoritarians. You are now carrying out Vladimir’s agenda of discrediting patriotic Americans who want a strong country that can’t be threatened or manipulated by foreign powers.

    You will likely never see the light because your core beliefs mirror old commies like Putin but we aren’t fooled. Even by jackwagon bureaucrats like BM.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can't help being amused when I see a Trumper write "Putin is playing you guys like a fiddle" when he played his music to get Don's devotees to vote for Don.
     
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    Hilary kept a non secure server in her house which stored, received and transmitted classified information. That is against the law.. Strozk changed the wording in the report from Gross Negligence to Extremely Careless. In other words it was OK because she was ignorant of the procedures.
     
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  10. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    At last you've come full circle and admitted you were wrong. Thank goodness.

    https://warontherocks.com/2016/07/why-intent-not-gross-negligence-is-the-standard-in-clinton-case/
     
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    What music was that? Putin didn’t have to tell anyone that Clinton was a horrible pick...
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not sure how you come to that conclusion. She violated the law. I would be in prison, if I did it. To read the statement literally, she did not intend to have a server in her house which handled classified information. It was just there by accident. She then repeatedly lied about it. "The server contained no classified." Lie. "There was no material classified at the time". Lie. "None of the material was marked classified at the time." Lie.
     
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    She was the vastly superior choice on every metric..........as attested to by the last two years.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Another relapse..........how unfortunate.

    "All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information, or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct, or indications of disloyalty to the United States… We do not see those things here."

    Many commentators have criticized Comey’s decision, arguing the statute Clinton was accused of violating, 18 U.S.C. § 793(f), requires only “gross negligence,” not intent. Former federal prosecutor Andy McCarthy has gone so far as to say that replacing the words “gross negligence” with “intent” rewrites that statute to serve political ends.

    McCarthy and others are mistaken. The issue of mens rea, or intent, is not as simple as it seems on the surface, and intent is the correct standard. Comey was right not to recommend filing charges and to base his decision on the absence of evidence that Clinton had the necessary intent.

    We've gone round and round on this too many times. There is no convincing you........despite the evidence..........a circumstance I'm all too accustomed to when dealing with devoted Trumpers.
     
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    Two years of a booming economy? She reset badly relations with Russia, was to stupid to handle classified material....sorry no
     
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    I find it amusing when you play that card on someone who doesn’t approve of many things Trump does and didn’t vote for him.

    You’re a hoot. Carry on.

    :)
     
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    The evidence is that she violated the law.
     

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