What, in your opinion, are the odds of a civil war in America in the next 10 years?

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What, in your opinion, are the odds of a civil war in America in the next 10 years?

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  1. AARguy

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    So Trump conference calls with you? Wow... you must be important!
     
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    Again, can you prove Pence was on the phone to Trump when Pence was conducting official business in the House Chambers?
    Your anecdotal information is not pertinent to Trump nor to Pence.
     
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    I heard moments ago the 2 people I believe saying hang Mike Pence. They both were well clear of the Capitol Building. That is a serious wrong thing to say in public. So to clear it up, that was what I found out and let's hope that they both were arrested.

    Something is screwy in the reports. PBS has taken down it's claims Pence was threatened.
    The video is not working. Only the text shows up. So they lost interest in proving their earlier claims.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...the-death-of-the-vice-president-plaskett-says
     
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    Trump's speech is public record. He told those people they had to fight if they wanted to keep the country.

    The speech is kinda sad. It reminds me of Rev. Jim Jones in 1978.
     
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    Doubtful. He licensed his name to it.

    Actually, a court doesn't ask you to do anything. It tells you.
    In point of fact, it looks like the $25M was paid by Phil Ruffin, a Trump partner. So Trump didn't take care of it.
     
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    Yes. Fight. Heck... my parents fought in WWII... that was a GOOD thing. I fought in Iraq. That was a GOOD thing. Fighting for freedom has nothing to do with rioting and looting, although certain segments of the left like BLM and Antifa can't fathom that.
     
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    Ecclesiastes 3:1-8
    It was not the time to fight, and, as you have pointed out repeatedly in this thread, this was clearly not the way to do it. This, in my opinion, was Trump's attempt at going out in a blaze of glory.

    The timeline is simple and requires no outside provocateurs: Trump gives a speech in which he tells the people to fight and tells them to march to the Capitol; they march to the Capitol and when they get there they fight.

    Or we have your version, which goes like this. First, Dems put a mole in the Oath Keepers for at least ten years, rising high in the organization waiting for a chance like this. Second, we get a president who doesn't care for the way the election came out and won't be a man about it. Third, the Dems send this mole to where Trump is giving his speech, hoping for some inflammatory language. Fourth, the mole seizes an opportunity to somehow mind control the crowd into invading the Capitol grounds and building. At the end, after sacrificing ten years of work by blowing their mole's identity, they'd have discredited a lame duck POTUS whose term had only days to run. Seems a difficult task and expensive for what amounts to zero gain.

    Your claim does not approach credibility. For the third time: is there a source for this, or are you just pulling scenarios out of your fevered imagination?
     
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    Ten years? Where did that come from? Ray Epps was just a guy in the crowd... a rabble rouser that incited the crowd to get violent. Its not that hard to do. Where did you get ten years from? Anyone there could have done the same. There's really no large effort required for some guy in the crowd to start screaming and whipping the crowd up. Its been done a lot throughout history. All your gobbledygook about "ten years" and "moles" and a "difficult task" is what was pulled out an imagination... yours.
     
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    Trump did it. whipped them up and sent them off.

    There is a photo of Epps and Stewart Rhodes together at an Oath Keepers function in 2011 A.D. This happened in 2021 A.D. Subtract one from the other and you get ten. the units are years (the A. in A.D.). the complete answer then becomes ten years.

    But this guy had some standing as a rightist. If what you're saying is true, he threw that away. If he did it as a Biden agent, we can only assume he gained that status at Joe's behest and threw it away on orders.

    Right. as Jan 6th shows with Trump. Regardless- even if they were urged to do so by a Biden agent- the rioters went in on their own hook. Some of their fellows (who remained demonstrators rather than rioters) told them they were breaking the law. They were not misinformed or uninformed. they simply chose to break the law.

    I apologize for that part of my comment. It was uncalled for. Sometimes my emotions run away with my words. I'm sorry.
     
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    The FBI removed Epps from its list of wanted folks and he ends up inciting Trump supporters to break into the Capitol six months later. Yeah... move along... nothing to see here.
    By the way... being a conservative, and voicing traditional opinions... does not make one a "rightist". Unless you consider folks like Jefferson and Washington some kind of radical rightists.
     
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    A Chinese hypervelocity missile system that can destroy America? How can that hurt any one of us? What a puny, meaningless subject. At least our leaders understand how unimportant this is. They are concentrating on the really important stuff like appointing a transgender admiral, issuing the first passport that has an "X" in the sex indication box, and the entire intel community is cloistered to analyze and discuss their first report/manual on diversity and inclusion. Soon the streets of DC will be empty as the city travels en masse to Europe to discuss global climate change.
    So let's not sweat the small stuff like a hypervelocity weapon in the hands of our enemies that can destroy us, the fact that Thanksgiving dinners will be meager this year for much of the population, or that the holidays will be spent at home by Americans because they cannot afford a tank of gas. Let us just rejoice in the fact that so many Americans remain huddled in fear, abandoned in Afghanistan, the nation is overrun by illegals that are not screened for COVID, inflation eats up our personal budgets, and our leaders are having champagne at the climate change shindig. REJOICE AMERICA!
     
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    Again, removing Epps from the MWL does not excuse him from the charges against him. It simply means they had bigger fish to fry. Also, and by the way, Trump was still POTUS at that time and could have stopped this action.

    Actually for their day both of them would be considered radical leftists. Their idea that all men had the same rights was not the same as the view in Europe e.g.
     
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    Sorry. The Founders were very conservative. They didn't want to start a new economic system. They all believed in a meritocracy where EARNING and ACHIEVEMENT were what counted. They were all for personal responsibility and accountability.
    All they wanted was to be given the traditional and accepted rights of Englishmen. The Englishmen that lived in the British Isles didn't have soldiers quartered in their homes, taxes levied on documents (Stamp Tax), tea, or other goods like British subjects in America did. No, the Founders simply wanted to be treated like their fellow subjects across the sea. And there was nothing at all radical about that. Certainly nothing LEFT about it at all.
     
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    Equally sorry. Those were radical beliefs for their day, where birth determined social position. Even whether one was entitled ( a word predicated on social status) to bear arms was dependant on birth. Meritocracy was discouraged where aristocracy prevailed. England wasn't as bad as some of the other European nations, but there it is.

    Actually, no. They thought all men should be treated the same by law. This was not the case in England at the time and is not the case now. For instance the royals pay no taxes.

    The Founding Fathers were liberals in the traditional meaning of the word: the willingness to accept ideas different from one's own. This is my primary problem with both the left and the right in US politics. Their extremes have become our mainstreams and they spew their hate all over everybody they perceive as not being in lockstep with them.If you want to call me a liberal by this definition, I'm willing to accept that.
     
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    Well, we'll agree to disagree. I have read the Mayflower Compact to the Declaration of Independence. These were not radicals at all. And far from just being open to new ideas, "liberals" think anything that is accepted or is in place is awful, that you have to change whatever exists. Simply put, liberals are compelled to fix things that aren't broken. They don't want to IMPROVE anything, they want to tear everything down and start over with their own rules.
     
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    Of the 69 colonists on the Mayflower only 41 signed the compact. They had landed far north from where it was agreed, and therefore the compact was void anyway.

    Edit:I note you have provided no support for your Epps allegations here is request number four I could pick a rando out of any Antifa or BLM crowd and claim they were Trumpist plants on the same evidence.

    Edit: spelling and punctuation
     
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    True on the Pilgrims. Only 41 onboard the Mayflower were true "Pilgrims". There were 101 total. The crew, the women and children were not signers.

    As to Ray Epps:
    - https://www.sgtreport.com/2021/10/m...the-very-first-1-6-attack-on-the-u-s-capitol/

    - https://thetruedefender.com/ray-epp...ary-6-riot-was-from-the-fbi-most-wanted-list/

    - https://iotwreport.com/fed-protected-man-identified-as-mystery-instigator-of-j6-capitol-breach/

    - https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...ond-Epps-Not-Everything-Is-Always-As-It-Seems
     
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    So you think a man should be able to commit his wife, kids and grandkids to his religious beliefs? I'll tell you my parents and grads would consider me a heretic and I don't care about what they said at my baptism.

    Where in this does it say he's a federal agent? none of these sources have anything to say about that.

    But even if he was a fed agent, those who followed him were still breaking the law, still aware of that essential fact.

    They don't get to claim coercion of any kind. They did what they did freely.

    Trying to blame this on some kind of conspiracy is foolish. It is far more likely, given his stated beliefs, that he stirred some of the crowd further after Trump's speech.

    The fact remains those people broke the law. They did it of their own free will. They were not coerced in any way. Whether it was Donald or the Dems is immaterial to this discussion.If you want to start a new one about the relative probability of who will start a rebellion against the US and whether it will succeed, I will be more than happy to join in.

    As far as their guilt or innocence goes nothing else matters.
     
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    I don't defend anyone that breaks the law, which they did. But its trespassing and some minor vandalism (minor by BLM and Antifa standards). But to say it is "insurrection" is beyond silly. Yes... fine them... and move on.
     
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    Never went beyond riot, as I recall. I may be wrong there.

    I've decided to start that thread myself, just to see what happens next. See you there! I hope.
     
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    Because I KNOW that YOUR biggest *LOSER* told over 30 THOUSAND LIES to We the People and NOTHING about the Qanon CONSPIRACIES bears any resemblance to FACTUAL REALITY.

    YOUR biggest *LOSER* LOST in 2020 by SEVEN MILLION VOTES!

    There was NOTHING "stolen" during the 2020 election.

    WHY are YOU "too afraid" to deal with those INDISPUTABLE FACTS?

    FACTS matter, YOUR conspiracy laden OPINION doesn't!
     
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    YOU have REFUSED to deal with the FACTS that DEBUNK your conspiracy bovine excrement therefore it is a WASTE of my time REPOSTING them.

    WHY should I believe that YOU won't IGNORE those FACTS again when I REPOST them?

    YOU have ESTABLISHED that YOU have no interest in DEALING with those INDISPUTABLE FACTS which means that it is YOU that is "so afraid" of them.

    WHY is that?
     
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    I have provided CREDIBLE factual sources so WHY are YOU refusing to accept the DOCUMENTED FACTS that white supremacists were using the BLM protests to INCITE a RACE WAR?

    FACTS matter!
     
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    So you are still too afraid to mention any SPECIFICS? Still afraid to discuss specific issues? OK...
     
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    So BLM protesters burning and looting whole cities were joined somehow with their white supremacists brothers in a common goal? Ok.... LOL... you run with that... LOL
     

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