What is a space force Mr trump?

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    You didn't identify any hyperbole.

    The ethnic cleansing we support IS a humanitarian atrocity perpetrated on a people that has left large numbers in refugee camps and otherwise searching for a home.

    The fact that we had help in Libya just shows that not even international cooperation by do-gooder nations such as our own can be failures on a grandiose scale.

    Iraq shows that even conquest fails, in part due to our fabulous misunderstanding of internal populations that led to lethal action. Just one example is "de-baathification". But, there were a good number of such total blunders, and they have had lasting horrible results.

    Of course, I didn't mention Afg, Syria, Somalia, and the rest. We totally booted in Egypt where we had been present for DECADES and close to the government there, affecting their decision making and supporting them with major military hardware. Going back, we could mention Vietnam, where we thought we could make them follow corrupt leaders of our choosing, divide their country, slaughter their people.

    I'd say the Balkans is the closest example we have of success, but even that action had serious problems coming from our misunderstanding, and success came more as a matter of European involvement with their neighboring nations.
     
  2. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It was in the post you quoted: "You’ve mixed fact with hyperbole. Specifically “ethnic cleansing” and mixing an international action such as Libya with a unilateral action such as Iraq. `"
     
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    What's going on in Palestine IS ethnic cleansing. There is NO question about that.

    And, you can not deny our action in Libya simply by noting that others were involved.
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, it's not, but thanks for the hyperbole.

    Unless you're talking about Benghazi, the US was participator in taking down the Libyan dictator, not a leader. The lead was initially the French, then NATO backed with UN support. That was quite a point at the time. Here, let me help you learn some history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya
    19 March 2011: French forces began the military intervention in Libya, later joined by coalition forces with strikes against armoured units south of Benghazi and attacks on Libyan air-defence systems, as UN Security Council Resolution 1973 called for using "all necessary means" to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas from attack, imposed a no-fly zone, and called for an immediate and with-standing cease-fire, while also strengthening travel bans on members of the regime, arms embargoes, and asset freezes.
     
  5. WillReadmore

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    You need to get your facts in order.

    At that time the US had strategic and tactical command of the military intervention under our operation Joint Task Force Odyssey Dawn based on the USS Mount Whitney.

    The same day France started air strikes the US launched 110 cruise missiles while the UK also launched cruise missiles at command and control and air defense sites.

    But, what does that even matter? We helped decide that an embargo was not sufficient and that coalition forces needed to attack Libya with force adequate to overthrowing the government.

    Also, there are lots of dictators. That isn't a title - it's a characteristic.
     
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    Are you declaring that the US led the attack or do you accept that the US was a NATO participant?
     
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    What makes you think those two statements are exclusive?

    In this case, the US led NATO allies for the initial part of the conflict and then turned leadership over to another NATO country while the US operated under their command.

    Overall leadership was not limited to one NATO nation.
     
  8. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's not the way I recall, but you are free to believe the US is the Great Satan or world's biggest war monger or whatever it is you believe.
     
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    I really don't get people who down right mock the idea of having a separate branch of the military to deal with space. I understand debating whether we have the funds to do it, but to outright ridicule it sure pass me. I mean, we have satellites and ICBMs to worry about so the reason for having a space force is solid.
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, and I've seen a picture of Trump's idea for their uniform:
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    :)
     
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