What Is A "Species."

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    "Race" is just a politically correct way of saying "species." And some species can interbreed. Other's can't. Maybe if you had read this thread, you would know that.
     
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    The truth should be welcomed anywhere.
     
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    Are you suggesting I get my information from racists and haters or that I should be more like you and educate themselves through others' forum posts?

    You certainly did remind me of somebody ...... oh yeah

     
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    Race isn't particularly supported by biology.

    And, the very definition of "species" is that members of a species can interbreed successfully. If two populations can't interbreed successfully, then they are not of the same species. Period. Their may be mistakes in classifying some life form, but "species" is well defined.

    Thus, there is only one species of human in existence today.
     
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    The definition that's widely used isn't just politically correct, it's scientifically correct.

    Bobcats and lynx, as far as I understand, are not different species, but rather a bobcat is a subspecies of lynx.

    [citations needed]

    Yeah, but these variances appear to be mostly aesthetic and hardly any reason to believe that africans, asians, and europeans are different races.
     
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    The truth is welcomed anywhere. Your white supremacist crap, that is not based on biological science, is not.
     
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    Did you read this thread? Bobcats and lynx are generally referred to as different species of cat. Etc. times zillions. Also, Homo neanderthalensis is generally believed to have been a different species of human. But more modern humans could apparently interbreed with it. Next, there are different species of human just as there are different species of any other closely related species. Period.

    Also, they say that Homo floresiensis is said to have been real. Denisova Hominin is also said to have been real. And according to some science show I watched on the topic once, there is some other as yet unknown species of human that modern humans carry around. Seeing how I told you the truth, isn't about time you reported me? Or will you leave that for someone else to do.
     
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    I have heard many kinds of critter being called whatever species. I have never heard them being referred to as sub-species. Next, as to what similar creatures can sucessfully interbreed and have viable offspring, such as eastern wolves and coyotes, I get paid absolutely nothing to educate you. If you don't believe it, look it up. Next, different kinds of humans aren't different "races." As you said. They are different species. And if you read the thread, you would know that the rock bottom definition for what IS a separate species is little more than a state of mind. Because for the single species of finch that used to live on the Galapagos islands, that "state of mind" actually led to there being separate species.
     
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    "Species" refers to biology not psychology
     
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    Well for the finches on the Galapagos, at least most likely in most cases, geographical separation wasn't to blame for different species arising. Neither is mutation. Because mutation wouldn't keep any mutation from evenly getting spread out throughout the population. So to a large extant, a state of mind-psychology is the definition of what a species is. Because it actually gave rise to different species.
     
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    "Educate yourself"

    Taking some strats from the modern college student playbook I see ;)

    I mispoke on the whole "are different races", I should have meant species.

    And no, they are not different species. Only someone who has yet to have any biology classes would make such a claim.

    Humans have understood what species were long before Darwin came about.
     
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    Please cite credible scientific studies that support your claim.
     
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    Your understanding of biology and mutation is inadequate for in depth evaluation of the topic you attempt to debate.
     
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    Actually, there is a component of behavior in the species definition. Lions and tigers at one time co-existed in parts of Asia, yet there is no indication that they hybridized in the wild. They hybridize all the time in zoos, so part of the reason they are different species is that they don't hybridize in nature.
     
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    Are you thinking of " behavioral ecology"?
     
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    Oooof!
    The OP and 38 other posts Confirming that virtually NO one on this board even understands the very very basics of Taxonomy/Science.

    Humans do not have different species, and virtually no one claims it. (but a small case can be made)
    Humans arguably/IMO/Certainly, DO have subspecies/Races. Unbelievable that no one knows they are synonymous, or even the term 'subspecies'.
    Subspecies/Races are the smaller-differential classification below Species.
    The gentler term Race is just traditionally used in Humans rather than subspecies.

    Chimps/Gorillas are Not just those simple designations either.
    Chimps have 2 Species, with 2 subspecies/Races.
    Gorillas 2 Species, with 6 or 7 subspecies/Races.
    Any of you object? LOL
    How many knew? 1%?

    Grey Wolves have 37 Subspecies/Races, including Domestic Dogs (all breeds).
    There are probably 15 subspecies/Races of them in North America alone: Vancouver Wolves, Manitoba Wolves, etc, etc.
    So it's not a stretch to think Australian aboriginals are Easily a subspecies/Race when compared to Scandinavians, or NE Asians.

    The problem being no one here knows Anything, nor has a frame of reference to decide, just their politics.
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    Looks like this O/P got his stuff out of one of Gobbells' manuals.

    Banned right away too.
     
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    We now have "Ligers" as examples of viable cross-species cats as well, from lions and tigers.

    That just means these big cats need to be reclassified into the same species as two sub-species of it.

    The viable offspring definition is as valid as anything else, and the term SPECIES is as good as any. It is a Latin word, which means it originally came from Etruscan.

    The Greek word is EIDOS and they are not even close to each other in Latin and Greek. So Greek had no influence on the development of this Latin term.

    noun: species; plural noun: species; noun: sp.; plural noun: spp.
    1. 1.
      Biology
      a group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding. The species is the principal natural taxonomic unit, ranking below a genus and denoted by a Latin binomial, e.g., Homo sapiens.
      synonyms: type, kind, sort; More
      genus, family, order, breed, strain, variety, class, classification, category, set, bracket;
      style, manner, form, genre;
      generation, vintage
      "there are several species of spadefoot toad"
      • Logic
        a group subordinate to a genus and containing individuals agreeing in some common attributes and called by a common name.
        plural noun: specieses
      • a kind or sort.
        "a species of invective at once tough and suave"
        synonyms: type, kind, sort; More
        genus, family, order, breed, strain, variety, class, classification, category, set, bracket;
        style, manner, form, genre;
        generation, vintage
        "there are several species of spadefoot toad"
      • used humorously to refer to people who share a characteristic or occupation.
        "a political species that is becoming more common, the environmental statesman"
      • ChemistryPhysics
        a particular kind of atom, molecule, ion, or particle.
        "a new molecular species"
     
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    The (now banned) O/P got it from Gobbells in Nazi Germany.
     
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    You are no different than a typical Negro male.

    They want white womens too.

    :D
     
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    Females like their males rich.

    Males like their females young.

    There you have it.
     
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    Everyone needs to recall that there are basically 3 major divisions of understanding.

    These are Religion, Philosophy, and Science -- listing them in their chronological order.

    Science was born when Galileo first pointed his new telescope at Jupiter in the night sky.

    This gave him data, to wit:

    - 4 satellites orbit Jupiter

    This enabled him to hypothesize to the following inference, to wit:

    - there are other bodies in space that orbit around other bodies as well which are not the Earth.

    This got him into trouble with the Pope in accordance with Catholic doctrine, to wit:

    - God created the Earth first according to the Bible and the Sun, Moon, and planets orbit around the Earth and were created later.
     
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    I totally agree with your process here - that we may have cases where we thought we had two different species and then found that they can interbreed and thus are of the same species.

    So, taxonomy is a description and that description gets corrected every once in a while.

    As for ligers, to meet the definition of species the progeny have to be able to breed with each other. That is, ligers would have to be able to breed with each other. And, my understanding is that ligers can't breed with each other, because the males are sterile.

    It's like horse and donkey - they can bear offspring, but the offspring can't breed with each other.
     
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    It's clear that factors such as religion, skin color, ethnicity, language, education level, etc. also are part of the selection process.
     
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    Interesting....my wife is beautiful and 11 years older than me, she also owns our home and makes all the money.
     

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