What is Christian Morality

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One would think this would be a fairly simple question. First we have the 10 commands.
    Don't kill, Steal, Shag neighbors wife, worship other Gods, bear false witness and so on.

    Then we have God telling the Israelite's to kill everyone in certain towns in a xenophobic rampage, take their stuff, and take the women slaves (sex slaves in some cases).

    Then we have all the rules in the OT... such as Kill all the people in towns where a few are worshiping other Gods.

    One of the really good rules "Children should not be punished for the sins of their parents" is quickly contradicted when God tells the Israelite's to kill children and babies on account of the sins of their parents.

    Fast forward to Jesus and we get something different. Jesus does stress observance of the 10 commands but the main rock on which his teachings are based is the Golden Rule.

    Do unto others as you would have them do to you / Treat others as you would be treated. Jesus restates this principle numerous times - really wanting people to "get it"

    Love neighbor as self, Judge not lest you be judged, Take log out of own eye before picking speck out of brothers, Let ye without sin cast first rock .. and so on.

    One quickly notices that the teachings of Jesus do not Jive with the God of Abraham.

    Kill thy neighbor (if he happens to worship another God) becomes love neighbor and judge not.

    Stone the Adulterer to death becomes ... Ye who is without sin cast the first stone.... and when the crowd leaves Jesus says "If they do not condemn you then neither do I".

    The God of the OT is all about forcing religious beliefs dealing with morality on others through law/earthly punishment (moral crimes). Moral crimes are different than protection from harm crimes - murder, rape theft and so on.

    Jesus teaches against punishing others for moral crimes and does not condone killing people on the basis of xenophobic rational.

    Clearly the God of Jesus is not this YHWH fellow. Regardless, Christians believe both in YHWH and in Jesus.

    What then is the morality of Christianity ?
     
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    crank Well-Known Member

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    Good question!
     
  3. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Those are NOT the real Ten Commandments except the one about worshiping other gods.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well don't leave us in suspense Wyrd. What then are the "real" commands ?
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Most of that drivel attributed to Jesus is pure BS.

    He says to love your neighbor but in the next breathe says that you have to hate your family and leave them to follow him.

    He claims to have been the son of God but he was as sinful as everyone else because if he had been without sin he would have stoned the woman for her behavior 9probably for worshiping him as a god).

    He didn't try and save the Gentiles, claiming that he had been sent only to the Jews. So how could his message be considered to be universal?
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    We've covered this countless times. The real Ten Commandments are found in Exodus chapter 34:11-28. All of the biblical stories are based upon them. Whenever you read any story in the Bible you should be able to easily tie it to one of the Ten Commandments. Some of the stories are positive examples of obeying while others show the results of disobeying one of them. Most of the Old Testament stories are heavy on the First and Second Commandments (Exodus 34:11-17). The miracles are based on Exodus 34:10.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree that it is all very confusion to an objective and logical observer. The question still remains ... what then is the morality of Christianity ?
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Complete and total obedience.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Interesting - the list of commands keeps getting longer !
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is a non answer - what does this obedience entail from the perspective of how one is to treat others - morality.
     
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    Your are confusing the sh!t out of yourself by quoting Jewish law in conjunction with a Christian topic.

    Tear your Bible in half (if you own one, which I am beginning to doubt) and throw away everything before Matthew Chap. 5 -- the Sermon On The Mount.

    THIS is where Christianity begins.
     
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    yiostheoy Well-Known Member

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    You are still confused.
     
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    yiostheoy Well-Known Member

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    Nope shorter.

    You have to throw away all the Jewish ones.
     
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    According to the Bible one is moral and righteous if he obeys. It really doesn't matter what he's obeying as long as he does obey. It's not a good idea to use the Bible as a moral guide but if you do then you should obey without deviation. For instance, if you go to church and see a woman with her head uncovered then seize her and shave off the hair on her head. Pay you taxes. Obey your political leaders. Sell all of your stuff and give the proceeds to the poor. Hit the road and start preaching the gospel. Don't let a woman tell you what to do. Don't allow them to speak in church.
     
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    What Jesus taught is the moral of Christianity, not OT.

     
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    Where did Jesus said you should HATE your family?
     
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    The OT is not Christianity.

    Jesus was asked once which of the commandments was most important. He said its was Love. Love God, Love they neighbor.

    That is Christianity.
     
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    course one has to believe God carved the commandments into stone and then before anyone could see them they were destroyed
     
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    the OT is the same God, same commandments, now one can say the God of the OT changed with time and became a better God if they want I suppose
     
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    That's not one of the Ten Commandments. Besides, why would you love your neighbor but hate your family?
     
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    I don't believe it but billions of people do believe it.
     
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    That was only for disciples, not ordinary people. In other words, "shoo, stay away, I don't want an army of disciples following me everywhere in Palestine". :peace:
     
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    Clearly the televangelists have your answer...send in your money and you'll be good with god...
     

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