What Is Economic Fairness?

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    of course if i knew nothing you would not be so afraid to explain why you think that. What do you learn from your fear?
     
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    they also heat their sidewalks because they are oil rich like Gulf countries
     
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    yes per capita income about like Arkansas our poorest state.
     
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    Sorry, but that is irrelevant. You'd have a point if the discussion was about public good delivery. That is made more difficult when you have more diverse population, by definition. Of course its also the case that, no matter the country, public goods still need to be delivered.

    A focus on equity doesn't become more complex in larger economies. The redistribution aims remains the same. The economy does become more complex, but that's all left to the market. Social democrats effectively apply the 'second welfare theorem', no matter the country.
     
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    I prefer to reduce things ot their raw simplest of terms.
    Economics is the study of human interactions How they trade resources.

    What is a fair trade of resources? and it is simply a trade that both parties are happy with.
    So is our economy fair? And the answer is: this is a subjective assessment made by the individuals involved on a macro economic scale.
    On a trade by trade basis.

    These giant statistics and grand ideals... about as unlikely to give a good answer as anything can be.
    Their motive is not to provide fairness in the economy, it is to exploit human sentiment and through this exploitation.... rule.
     
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    This is what happens when you have a generation brought up on the Sunday Sport! The idea of social democrats being despots did make me laugh though! They'll force you to eat Fair Trade Jam!
     
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    Sure it does, a tiny country with a homogeneous authoritarian sheep like population such as Norway or Europe doesn't create welfare moochers the way the USA melting pop does.
     
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    You continue to make zero sense. There's nothing authoritarian about social democracy. And of course, in terms of psychological analysis, authoritarianism is a right wing trait.
     
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    I have no idea why this vast nation called the USA is to be compared to nations with a population no more than our Local SF Bay Area.

    This state is as blue as it can get. But despite this, we voters are besieged at election time with calls for more and more of our cash be devoted to the dreams of Democrats. And the next election, they are back pleading for more and more capital. When will we get the benefits of their socialist doctrine? I have had them begging me each election time for well prior to 1971. Supposedly this time they will fix the highways. Sadly they never find time to do it.

    Remember too, I once worked in the heavy construction industry. I was told at the end of one job that due to cuts in highway funds, (in 1967) we might spend a long time out of work. I vowed to get away from such an unstable way to earn a living. Fact is, later the huge construction company I spent most of my years with filed for bankruptcy and was put out of business.

    Story of the problems with Raymond International, my base company ... and the merger of Kaiser Engineers into it and the failure on the horizon. starting with page 218.


    https://books.google.com/books?id=e...nd international construction company&f=false
     
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    The Democrats aren't even social democratic, let alone socialist. Now if they wanted to be social democratic, the first step isn't an difficult exercise. Tax and welfare already exists. Thry just need to be integrated and a basic income guarantee employed.
     
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    The greater the scale you attempt to impose your vision of fairness on, the greater the unfairness you will produce.
     
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    He's been stealing the fortune cookies again!
     
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    Potato potato... how you purse your lips and say the words I guess.
     
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    I do not know why Democrats go at this backwards. They first want to reward you for lack of motive, lack of work ethic, lack of goals, lack of training ... first by paying you rewards.

    It is like you started a baseball game from the end with the score favoring the lesser team. As you added to their runs, finally you got back to the start of the game.

    This makes no sense. It defeats wanting training, wanting to learn about goals. We are an old forum. But has a single Democrat ever came to grips with the urgent need for goal setting? They start backwards. They first pay for no performance praying it will solve the problem. No the problem is not pay, it is setting goals and making plans to reach those goals.
     
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    They need to quit using nordic countries. Even Germany is so tiny it is a laugh to use that country. The USA is larger than all of Europe, I believe. If not larger, at least in that range.

    What Democrat ever quotes conditions in Hungary and brags on how well it is?
     
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    Not at all. Social democracy generates lower poverty; socialism engineers an economic paradigm shift
     
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    yes, or quote Europe in general which has the per capita income of Arkansas about our poorest state. Interestingly Norwegians and Germans in America do about 35% better than average Americans who do about 30% better than Europeans
     
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    I love how you make up stats! Try supporting them with an economic study. Good luck
     
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    yes, socialism slowly starved 120 million to death while partial socialism in Europe gives them what even Krugman calls Eurosclerous and the per capita income of Arkansas about our poorest state.
     
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    Partial socialism? There you go again making bobbins up! There's no such thing. There is either socialism, or there is capitalism.
     
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    wrong as always they call them mixed economies in popular econ 101 text books
     
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    A mixed economy refers to the economic spectrum (which goes from laissez faire to command economy), describing the level of government interventionism. Zero to do with socialist political economy. You're been wrong a lot today!
     
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    mixed means mixed with elements of capitalism and socialism thus your either or statement is incorrect. Does the liberal understand now?
     
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    Calling me a liberal is a bad start, given liberalism and socialism are mutually exclusive. Confusing the economic spectrum is a classic sign of right wing ignorance of political economy.
     
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    Not clear where you got that given you accuse others of making up their facts.
     

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