What is it 2 weeks left, is the pig headed Schumer going to compromise

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  1. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is approx 2 weeks left on DACA. Will the pig headed Schumer cave and accept compromise??? It is the only route for DACA members. If Schumer dont cave, democrats will lose another segment of the voting public.

    But then I really hope he doesnt.
     
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    I don't know what his calculations are. Given the shellacking he took over the funding shutdown, I think he might. If Trump/Republicans give him a face-saving concession, the odds will go up.

    I think the odds are 50/50 right now.
     
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    Doesn't matter what Schumer does - Trump killed the last compromise bill that both Republicans and Democrats took up to the Oval Office. And since Trump killed the original DACA deferment - I hardly think that segment of voters will run to the Republican ticket.

    You may now carry on with your usually scheduled fantasy thread.
     
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    These "dreamers" should be deported started March 6. They have Pelosi and Schumer to thank for that.
     
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    These "dreamers" wouldn't have to worry if Trump hadn't ended the deferment in the first place.
    Fail on your part.
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Democrats have a choice between Schumer and votes in Nov.
     
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    Voters don't care about illegals aliens like far lefters do. However the Latinos will feel betrayed by the Dems and won't turn out to vote for the people who let their relatives get deported.
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are exactly right. They may not vote for republicans, but they will stay home in droves.
     
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    Yup. And actually I was reading that Latinos have one of the worst turn out rates than anyone. Worst than the blacks even. So if their leaders are not just absolutely energizing them they're going to stay home for their taco parties or whatever.
     
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    exactly, dreamers will see that dems tossed them aside when they couldnt get what they wanted. Cast aside like garbage. All dems need to do is pretty much act like Americans and seal the ****ing border. If they dont, they are the dumbest people Ive ever seen.
     
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    The unconstitutional EO?
     
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    Schumer is caught between a rock and a hard place I'd almost feel sorry for him iif he was such a prick. He knows his base has moved so far left that politically compromising on this could cost him any chance to retake either house and could cost him the ability to block legislation in the senate. On the other hand if he doesn't a lot of the Latino vote may walk.
     
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    Trump was given a bi-partisan bill that he said he liked. It even gave him billions for his wall. Then his knuckle dragging base went crazy and in 24 hours Trump decided he didn't like it after all. The big question now is - what the hell does he want?
     
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    He's a man of the people. He wants what we want.
     
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    Noticing lots of hispanic surnames on upcoming Republican primary ballots. Wouldn't it be ironic if the latino vote turned Republican after all the Dem's efforts to get 'em here? ;)
     
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    There really isn't a deadline. The courts have already put a halt to the expiration of the program so until it goes through the courts again I imagine the government will continue to keep renewing the DACA applications.

    So from my perspective, if Schumer wants to be stubborn, let him. This is an issue that doesn't hurt Republicans by not compromising but it does hurt Democrats.
     
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    Hahaha! The dems need to compromise. We do not always get what we want. I say on March 6, start rounding them up. Thanks Schumer.
     
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    Reparations are what he wants. Dems have obstructed, stonewalled and maligned him since day 1. End chain migration, and the visa lottery. Enact a merit based system, and fund the wall. Trump has zero incentive to negotiate, and neither (D)'s or (R)'s have any leverage. DACA expires on Obamas sunset provisions, Trump starts deporting DREAMers Mar. 6th.
     
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    Yeah but it won't happen. Best to fight for a white majority.
     
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    Wrong they gave the same sort of bill they gave Reagan in '80. To borrow from the old Popeye cartoon, We will gladly give you money for the wall next Tuesday if you'll give us DACA today. Unfortunately the Democratic and cheap labor Republican calendar seems to be missing any day called Tuesday.
     
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    The problem lies that the constitutions gives congress the power over immigration and naturalization. Not the president via an executive order. Congress is the only institution that can change existing laws. Obama did so with an EO. He called it prosecutors discretion or something akin to that. In other words Obama choose to ignore existing law via an EO.

    Now the courts are battling it out, trying to determine if a president who had the power to issue an EO, can another president revoke or rescind that EO. It's an interesting battle. One I hope ends up in front of the SCOTUS.
     
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    Sorry but the President has plenary power over immigration. You know what plenary means?
     
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    In United States constitutional law, plenary power is a power that has been granted to a body, or person, in absolute terms, with no review of, or limitations upon the exercise of that power.

    Dems can't win no matter what they do at this point in time.

    Steve
     
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    In other words you're saying congress has no say in immigration matters if the president has complete control. Then any laws or legislation congress passes on immigration is meaningless as the president can do whatever he wants on immigration. I didn't see that in Article II, although in Article I section 8 congress does have the power naturalization.

    I do suppose naturalization and immigration can be two different things. But if the congress does pass some immigration laws and they are signed by a sitting president, isn't the president or the administration required to enforce those laws? Or can a president do whatever he wants vis a vis immigration because he has complete control over immigration. That is if I read you right.
     
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    It is one of the reasons that the President sets the amount as presidents past have.
     

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