tell me....what do you think about Peter's vision where the blanket came down and God said "kill and eat"?
No mistake. You've claimed ethics/morals/values require God. You've claimed you aren't a theist. Do I really need to show you the math again?
Read the thread. Neutral monism for the one and empathy for the other, neither of which you addressed.
What is it? Excellent question. In general, I think it's choosing to behave in a way that is not purely self-interested. I'd also say it has it's origins in our genetics.
Without meaning to quibble... but people apply “moral standards” to other people about things unrelated to personal self interest. Why is it any one else’s self interest I’d I am gay or not?
Good question. I think that fits with my definition, though it wasn't intended. I was thinking more along the lines of risking your own life to save another. Splitting your fresh kill with someone who is no longer able to hunt. That sort of thing seems to have roots in our survival instinct that recognizes cooperation as a necessary thing. The kind of morality you referred to is something I see as a religious or social more, but not a human moral capacity.
Near as I can figure nearly all moral codes can be boiled down to a couple of simple principles (and their corollaries) 1. Do unto other as you would have done onto you - the basis of a cooperative collective social scheme required for ultimate genetic success. 2. Live and Let Live - empowers individual freedom within the limitations imposed by rule number 1.
work well within the tribe. The endless examples of wars and cruelty to outsiders would indicate doesn’t work well outside the tribe.
Of course it does. That's why trade developed. Competition for resources is not morality, that's survival.
trade is based on the golden rule? And no, competition for resources would only be for survival if the competition was a resource necessary for continued existence. The history of powerful nations exploiting or even confiscating the resources of smaller less powerful countries has noting to do with survival. Blood diamonds a simple example.
No, trade is based on morality. If it wasn't, you would just kill and take what you wanted, instead of bargaining the equal value of goods for exchange. Ergo your blood diamond example.
Redeem the firstborn of a donkey with a lamb or else break the donkey's neck. And don't boil a young goat in its mother's milk. Those two are easy for most people to observe.
Not true. Sometimes trade just makes better financial sense. War is expensive and you have to find people who are willing to die just to enrich others.
Actually Blood diamond, also called conflict diamond, as defined by the United Nations (UN), any diamond that is mined in areas controlled by forces opposed to the legitimate, internationally recognized government of a country and that is sold to fund military action against that government.
It is simple: IF.. this is a God made universe, AND IF.. this Creator 'embedded' humanity with a moral sense, THEN, that is the source of Morality : the Creator. ..not religion.. not man.. BUT.. IF this is a godless universe, THEN morality is a human construct, to manipulate people. It depends on the Reality of the universe, whether morality is a Real Thing, or a human fabrication.
