What is morality?

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  1. bricklayer

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    Morality is a gradation of behavior calibrated to an externality.
     
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    Yes, clearly trade based on immorality.
     
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    What is morality?

    It is those behaviors that foster rather than impede peace in a society.
     
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    I think the abortion debate and the church persecution of gays demolishes that argument. Morality, when used to persecute others hardly promotes peace in a society. And then of course we have the obvious example of radical Islam which doesn’t have much of a track record of promoting peace.
     
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    I stand by my definition. The problem you bring up is that not everyone consideers the same acts as moral. As an example the abortion debate is about morality but there are two concepts of what is moral. If there were no abortion there would be no debate. So the other side of the argument is just as strong or stronger than yours.
     
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    What exactly is the other side of the argument. The argument presented so far is that homosexuality is immoral because it doesn’t lead to recreation. Thus the apparent argument so far is that an act is moral or immoral depending on if it increases or decreases procreation.
     
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    The other side of the argument is that abortion is immoral. It promotes discord rather than peace in society. I didn't say anything about homosexuality but I will address that as well. Homosexuality is neither moral nor immoral. It is only a problem when heterosexuals are drawn into it such as in parades and displays. It becomes the same thing as racism -- you aren't like me. Morality is not beliefs nor is it opinions. It is actions. Thinking immorally affects no one. Doing something immoral sows discord in society. Racist or homophobic feelings are neither moral nor immoral unless one does seomthing about. I would view religious homophobia as immoral because it sows discord. Stop the open displays and the religion actions against it and it is no longer an issue.
     
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    the discord comes from those that oppose it & their lack of respect for others to make their own choices...

    there are no gods, never were, never will be
     
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    While there is evidence that the Judeo-Christian Bible was inspired by Almighty God Jehovah, no other form of religion can present evidence that their writings was divinely inspired. It therefore stands to reason that the moral standards presented in the Judeo-Christian Bible are the correct standards by which all humans, regardless of religious ideology, must conform to. Non-Christians can choose to get Biblical religious truth. The majority of them choose not to.

    Alter2Ego
     
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    The "evidence" cited by the Bible-believers is the same sort of evidence cited by believers of other scriptures. Your assumption that they are qualitatively different is false.

    Moral standards presented in the Judeo-Christian Bible include apologetics for slavery, violent opposition to freedom of speech, violent opposition to freedom of religion, and infanticide. Yes, I choose NOT to see those things as morally permissible.
     
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    Do you propose that stoning adulterers is inspired by god, or not eating bacon, or not mixing types of clothing fibers?
    do you propose that there is an almighty god that cares that men get circumsized, and must cover their head? Just from observing the common behavior of people around you.... do you think people are seriously concerned about taking gods name in vain?
     
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    You support freedom to murder? Who said anything about gods? The topic is defining morality.
     
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    again, you're imposing your beliefs upon others and expect everyone to abide by your beliefs & definitions...

    ergo, it's your kind that brings forth discord, because your kind refuses to allow others to have their own beliefs & definitions...

    same as forcing me to wear a seatbelt, as though they're concerned about me... heck, if they're so concerned about me, pay my damm bar tab!
     
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    What a ridiculous thing to say. I haven't imposed anything on anybody. The subject is a definition of morality and I provided my definition. Sorry it isn't like yours.
     
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    Since it deals with killing humans when a couple months old, what possible reason should anyone refrain from killing them at 1 or 2 years old?

    Id agree, this is why the the US gubmint was chartered to stay the hell out of religion completely, but they didnt, instead they created their own.
    Thats the problem with everyone however, everyone wants the world to be clones of themselves until the see the results of their oft ill thought out woldview.
    Its both, morals are conclusions of right versus wrong and if you have no freedom to act upon your moral beliefs you merely have a bundle of ethical hypothesis.
    @Alter2Ego Which evidence is that?
    @Alter2Ego Please explain how we can recognize that which is 'divine' and that which is not?
    @Alter2Ego I see no 'reason' based on your posts, simply because it is written is not a reason, that is the only thing in your post offered as a reason, please give us a definitive reason.

    So you are promoting a one world religion as law?
    That does cause a problem doesnt it. I have heard it explained in the context that humans interpreted God both incorrectly and also in many cases added their own agenda in the name of God.
    Eating pork was disease prevention, clothing is obviously commercial.
    Yep cleanliness for circumcision sounds pretty man made to me likewise cover over the head.
    People cannot have the own definitions caveat they are the result of intense study, most people today have their own definitions and when on the hot seat to explain them fail miserabley because their own definitions are not academic, uneducated, knee jerk opinions that include strawman misunderstanding, and often not even remotely connected with reality.


    In biblical times civil law and religious law were one in the same.
     
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    and thank god that it's no longer the case...
     
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    How would someone explain it as originating from anywhere else?

    By using an operating definition of morality that's worthless, that's how.
    Why would you expect any mortal to know, and what's the difference anyway?
    Then one cannot help but wonder how the OT patriarchs and prophets ever managed to get anything right.
    So the way you figure it, Hans and Sophie Scholl and their confederates acted immorally. Right?
    You think the Nazis didn't empathize with each other over their victimization by the International Jewish Conspiracy?
    You think the Nazis didn't act in each others' interests?
     
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    You are correct. And very often they got it wrong..
     
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    So with no Bible, how did they ever get it right?
     
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    Did the Nazis act in a way that considered the inhumane fate of the Jews or in their own self interests?
     
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    History and openness to the direct intervention of God in their lives.

    And after moses, they did have God's words.
     
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    I've got no problem with that interpretation, or even some other variation of "progressive revelation" theology. This line of thought allows reason an inroad into scripture, which I'm always in favor of, and honestly most of my Muslim friends follow a similar track as well. If I were to convert to Christianity, I'd probably be a Quaker, prioritizing "the light" of reason and enlightenment in the individual over scriptural fundamentalism.
     
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    So, how did God convey Morality to humans? And which God? Do Muslims, Christians, and Jews have the same moral standard? If not, why? They all worship a single God... how can they not share the same moral standard?
    So, historic Native Americans and the indigenous groups still existing in South American not have moral standards?
     
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    It is a set of Law embedded to humans at the moment when a soul/spirit is granted. It's analogue to a pizza, it all starts with the same bread but different toppings can be put upon. Satan can "educate" you even at the time when you are still in mother's womb, for the basic purpose of forming a bad culture (such as worshiping Baal). Then subsequently, your morality can be altered by our culture (social effect) and your parental education and your formal education. However you can always look deeper into yourself to bring back the original set of code. That's why sometimes you regret your deeds which you felt so right to do. The judgment of gentiles will be based on the original set of code, not the one altered by Satan's horde and your culture and your parents and your education.
     
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