What is the difference between an Islamic vs a Christian terrorist?

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Is there any difference between an Islamic vs a Christian terrorist?

  1. No... .not really.... both Muslims and Christians have been set up by the Elite

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  2. Yes.... Christians are just responding to all the crime and rape in Europe.

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  3. No

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  4. Yes

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  5. Maybe the two types of acts are quite similar?????

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  1. DennisTate

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    New Zealand mosques: Several dead after shootings in Christchurch


     
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    You have to really broaden the definition of 'Christian!', to find 'Christian' terrorists. Are they representing a mainstream denomination? Following the instructions of Jesus?

    Just because someone was born in a formerly Christian dominated society, does not make them 'Christian'.

    Muslims, otoh, are specifically commanded by Muhammad, the Imams, and mainstream Islamic 'denominations' to engage in jihad, and kill the infidels. Jesus gave no such directive, so even the phrase, 'Christian Terrorist!' is an oxymoron, and a propaganda meme.
     
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    Does your stance apply to soldiers who kill for, "God and Country"?
     
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    Moving the goalposts much?

    There is a world of social and cultural difference between law enforcement/national security, and acts of terror for a political agenda. Correlating justice and defense with crime and human aggression is anarchy.

    Are you suggesting a cop or soldier enforcing the Law is the same as a criminal breaking the law? Is collective law a meaningless platitude? Do we not have the right to defend ourselves from human aggressors?
     
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    I think that each of our cases is unique......
    I believe that a soldier or policeman can be filled with the Holy Spirit and the Love of G-d
    and can use their position to be a powerful force for good.

    On the other hand it is also possible for somebody who considers themselves to be Christian
    to join the military but actually be thinking and living very differently than Messiah Yeshua - Jesus - Issa taught we should.

    Rabbi and Messiah Yeshua - Jesus - Issa asked a question of the Pharisees on one occasion that to me.....
    leaves the door wide open for a Christian to choose a career in the military or police.



    Mark 3:4 "And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace."

    I am almost certain that Rabbi Jesus - Yeshua - Issa was referring to the situation faced by the Machabees when Greco - Syrian armies were attacking Jewish communities on the Sabbath.

    One community had refused to fight back..... and were massacred..... .but the Machabees....in my opinion correctly judged that this is a violation of an admonition by King Solomon:


    Ecclesiastes 7:16 "Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself?"


    Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, 1 Machabees Chapter 2
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    "So they gave them battle on the sabbath: and they were slain with their wives, and their children, and their cattle, to the number of a thousand persons. [39] And Mathathias and his friends heard of it, and they mourned for them exceedingly. [40] And every man said to his neighbour: If we shall all do as our brethren have done, and not fight against the heathens for our lives, and our justifications: they will now quickly root us out of the earth.

    [41] And they determined in that day, saying: Whosoever shall come up against us to fight on the sabbath day, we will fight against him: and we will not all die, as our brethren that were slain in the secret places."
     
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    Did Christ defend himself against human aggressors?
     
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    Which is worse, a religion that tells you to kill and you kill or a religion that says it is wrong to kill but you kill anyway?
    The act wasn't done by a God or a religion, humans need no excuses to kill...
     
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    I agree..... the phrase 'Christian Terrorist' is indeed an oxymoron and yes......
    the idea is used to promote a certain type of propaganda.

    I believe that Christianity is in for something like a Civil War as certain types of information become more commonly known.

    www.thomastwin.com/
     
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    According to tradition and ethics a rabbi must be married, Jesus was not married.
     
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    You will be shocked and surprised, if you think that many Christians will not defend their lives, neighbors, and country with deadly force. Not all are Amish or Quakers. You might wish them to be passive submissives, through projection and false caricatures, but they will not all submit to the PC narrative.
     
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    On at least one occasion he miraculously
    prevented a mob from killing him well before his time
    had came.


    Luke 4:25 -

    "But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;
    But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.
    And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.
    And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
    And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
    But he passing through the midst of them went his way,"

    I assume that this was an event similar to what happened to the disciple Philip a few years later.


    Acts 8:26
    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/act/8/1/s_1026001

    And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.
    And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
    Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
    29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

    30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

    31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

    32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:

    33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

    34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?

    35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

    36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

    37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

    38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

    39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
     
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    Some ideologies promote human aggression. History is replete with examples. Some human aggressors ignore their ideology, and kill anyway. One cannot judge an ideology on the acts from those who violate the ideology. Only if they follow the precepts of their ideology, can you attribute it to the ideology.
    For example:
    Stalin and the Russian regime decided it was 'good' to eradicate certain people, who did not meet the standards of the 'New Soviet Man.' Those eradicated felt that was 'bad', no doubt. But with no human authority powerful enough to dispute Stalin's decrees, his definition of 'good' prevailed. Over 10 million people were 'cleansed' by Stalin, for the good of the collective. Other communists in the last century also eliminated undesirables in their goal of 'evolving' the New Man!', who would meet their social engineering ideals.

    It is in the communist ideology to help 'create' the New Man, so eliminating the undesirables is an acceptable part of that ideology, and justifies that aggression.
     
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    Which law do you think the soldiers were enforcing when we invaded Iraq? Or went to war in Vietnam, or Afganistan. Admittedly there is a difference between individual acts of terrorism and state sponsored terrorism. Like of course the fact that state sponsored terrorism kill a whole lot more civilians.
     
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    Actually a near death experiencer was shown otherwise which is one of the reasons why I so highly recommend this book.

    Your nomination for Nobel Prize in Literature?


    According to what was shown to near death experiencer Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D. the marriage of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus - Issa to Mary Magdalene was a lot like the marriage of Minor Prophet Hosea to Gomer. It is a fascinating story that I highly, highly recommend....... Here is a part of it to get you more interested.....


    Thomas Twin page 194:
    One of the reasons why the Christian Bible is so silent about this is that the Roman Catholic Church would soon be out to kill off their descendants if the tradition was too commonly known.

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/isa/53/1/s_732001

    10 ¶ "Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand."

    I guess this is fulfilled as he saw his children and grandchildren and great grandchildren from the higher invisible dimensions??? It seems that he is meeting with all his followers who have a genuine brush with death to review their lives with them....... so he has been getting to meet his grandchildren if he really did have children with Mary Magdalene?!
     
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    Do you think that 'bad!' laws, from one's personal opinion, should nullify all law?

    Which 'laws' were the muslim terrorists enforcing, when the flew hijacked planes into the 2 towers? Were they not following their directives, from their ideology? Why would they be 'wrong!'?

    Do aggressive laws nullify all laws? Should we just have anarchy?
     
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    Since you edited before my first reply, I'll continue here.
    Were the allies in WW2 'state terrorists!', for attacking the nazis and Japanese? Is there any justification for war? Who says?. Who has the moral purity to make this judgment? Who has the moral imperative to enforce their judgments?

    To correlate all acts of violence as the same, is to blur the lines between justice and criminal acts. Humans have a 'sense' of morality and Natural Law, that tells them they have the right to life, liberty, and property. How is defending one's rights the same as the aggressor?

    Human injustice is rampant, at the state level. ..always has been, always will. Very few systems of governance have had checks for this human evil. But to throw out all collective justice, because of inherent flaws in collective systems, is folly and madness.
     
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    I don't wish anything. Just don't think Christians or Muslims are one size fits all. You don't like being put into a box. Yet you have no problem putting Muslims in a box. You claim Muslims are all one thing, but get bent out of shape if someone puts Christians in that same light. Just remember - today, 1.2 BILLION Muslims did not attack you.

    But I notice you side-stepped my initial question.
    Did Christ defend himself against human aggressors? Yes or no.
     
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    If Orthodox Jewish scholar and historian Yair Davidiy is correct in his theories
    of where many of the descendants of the Patriarch Joseph / Yosef migrated then
    America and her allies were playing out the role of the Eldest son of the family
    when we invaded Iraq.

    It is the responsibility of the eldest to protect the younger
    siblings........... and although flawed information was released.... and although the whole
    thing was handled in a terribly flawed manner...
    Saddam was known to be attempting to obtain nuclear devices and
    the collapse of the former Soviet Union led to a very dangerous situation that.......
    could have been handled in a manner that could have been a whole lot worse.

    Saddam did send 39 scud missiles against Israel.......
    Thank G-d he did not have a nuclear device on any of them!

    MOSHIACH BEN YOSEPH
    by Yair Davidiy


    Perhaps even certain predictions in Jeremiah were fulfilled by President George W. Bush
    as USA armies sent missiles into Baghdad. Since Saddam identified himself with Nebuchadnezzar then
    this somewhat links his capitol with Babylon?

    Jeremiah 50:9

    For, lo, I will raise and cause to come up against Babylon an assembly of great nations from the north country: and they shall set themselves in array against her; from thence she shall be taken: their arrows shall be as of a mighty expert man; none shall return in vain.
     
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    I do believe that a massive shift is coming between Muslims and Christians.....

    Mary Burris:
    I suspect that the following booklet will play a significant role in that shift
    because Marxist actors will seldom quote the following Sura's:

    God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land, Hebrew and Arabic.


    Sura 29:46;


    Sura 2:136;


    Sura 46:12;


    Sura 6:85;


    Sura 60:7-9;
     
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    And you missed the point. Islam PROMOTES aggression, within the ideology. Christianity does not. Buddhism does not. New age homogeneity does not. National socialism does. Communism does.

    I am not addressing individual people, from any ideology, but the ideology itself, and what it promotes.

    I ignored your question about Jesus because it was irrelevant, imo, and i addressed the implications of the question, instead. Yours was a rhetorical question, that had no bearing on human justice, unless you were suggesting that everyone should passively allow human aggression at all times.
     
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    Just pointing out that most Christians do not follow the path of Christ - but would still list themselves as Christians. Don't yo think the same is true of Muslims given that the vast majority of them don't wonder around looking for infidels to kill? Yet you are trying to shoe-horn them into that box. And my question was directly referencing that dichotomy of teaching vs. action.
     
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    Do we know if the killer in this case was even a Christian? He said his favorite government was Communist China.

    Jesus never harmed anyone, unlike the bloody prophet. Jihadists are simply following the word and deed of their founder. There's a reason Muhammad once made the cover of Military History Quarterly.
     
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    I replied that they are the same. But I don't believe that the NZ murderer was following Christianity in his actions - so this isn't a good example to compare and contrast the terrorism inspired by different religions.
     
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    Interesting..........
    Marxists sure like using religious people to kill other religious people.... .partly in order to discredit all forms of religious belief.

    AboveAlpha made a powerful post on August 6, 2015 indicating that the Refugee Crisis was set up to produce acts like what just happened in New Zealand.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...lect-on-georgia.218425/page-8#post-1065258190
     
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    No the Bush lie that Saddam was developing nuclear weapons has long been proven false. Where do you get your information. In fact no one now even thinks he was developing chemical weapins except a few diehards immune to the truth.
     
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