What is this apocrypha parable saying?

But the Book of Macabees sure helped in understanding that
question by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus......"is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good,
or to do evil, to save life, or to kill?"


An apology to all members of the military and police!

 

I must have missed your posts where you claim to prove anything.

 

Jesus didn't like that commandment so he never kept it. Moses would have stoned him to death for violating it.

 

Yes, we've all noticed how you run around demanding links and then never read them. Brilliant, that is.

 

I've clearly shown you how two English guys got the Apocrypha deleted from the Bible 135 years ago. For some reason you don't want to accept historical reality. You haven't produced anything to support your contention that the Bible was originally written in ancient Greek or ancient Hebrew.

IMO you simply don't know enough about your favorite ethnocentric Middle Eastern Jewish religious fairy tale to discuss it.

 

Actually... I believe that he did keep the Sabbath.......
just not in the same way that the Pharisees and Scribes advocated..........

Ecc 7:16

Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself?

 

Yeshua did forbidden acts on the sabbath. Moses would have stoned him to death.

Exodus 16:28-29 (MSG) = God said to Moses, “How long are you going to disobey my commands and not follow my instructions? Don’t you see that God has given you the Sabbath? So on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. So, each of you, stay home. Don’t leave home on the seventh day.”

 

My take on the passage is that while we may wonder about God's wisdom and plan - heck, the prophets often questioned why God would allow things to happen and what they were writing about, and they were surely not smitten for it - that ultimately it is not our place to know or even comprehend what God's plan is. This should be taken in light of God's discourse to Job where He asks where Job was when He created the Heavens and Earth, much less easier questions like who put instincts into the animals and suchlike. There's just stuff we're not capable of knowing on this side of the grave.

Good Lord, are you trolling us? Since you know so much regarding the Bible, perhaps you might enlighten us as to why specifically God was telling them to stay inside their tents at that time? I'll give you a hint: God wasn't telling them to stay home just for the sake of staying home.

 

Have you ever heard of the Fifth Commandment?

Exodus 34:21 (ERV) = “You will work for six days, but on the seventh day you must rest. You must rest even during the times of planting and harvesting."

Jesus broke the commandment so Moses would have stoned him to death, just like he did the guy who picked up the sticks.

 

Okay, so you don't know the context. Here's what was happening: The Israelites were complaining that they were starving in the desert, so God sent Manna down onto the ground every night for them to gather. He told them to gather it for six days, but on the seventh not to do so - that God had it covered, He would send a double portion down just before Sabbath so that they wouldn't go without on the Sabbath Day. Yet, some of them went out to look, and they didn't find any - God was testing them to see if they would follow the small directions. God wasn't saying that the Israelites weren't to go outside, just that they weren't to go outside and gather food, which was considered work. The Sabbath was always considered a day of rest - just kick back and relax. They could relax inside or outside the tent, as long as they just took it easy.

Regarding your example about the sticks, clearly you haven't read Exodus 35.3 which states that they were not to light a fire on the Sabbath - and there was no other reason to gather sticks except TO light one. So we can infer that the reason he was put to death was that he was putting work and self-sufficiency before trusting in God to meet his needs, and that this indifference towards God's law expressed itself by picking up sticks for a fire.

 

So Jesus and his posse were walking through the fields on the sabbath grazing like a herd of cows. The point is, as you illustrated, that they were working by gathering food in violation of the commandment. Moses would have stoned the whole lot of them to death. And they also did work by healing the guy on the sabbath. He could have made it to the next day if it had been God's will. Their sin was that they trusted in their own abilities instead of trusting in God. They could have used the day in the field as a fasting day, since they were supposed to fast. Instead they gave in to immediate self-gratification.

 

Sounds to me it’s telling people “Stop asking difficult questions, just do what the Church tells you to”.

 

Your reading comprehension on this is off the mark.

Jesus said that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath.

Man controls what he is to do on the Sabbath. The Sabbath is not to control what man does.

I extrapolate from that that Jesus would also say that Gods and religions are made for man and not man made for them.

Jesus wanted to free us from religions, not slave us to them.

Regards
DL

 

Martin Luther.

“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”

“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

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Regards
DL

 

They weren't walking thru the fields solely to eat, like a herd of cows would - they were walking thru to get to somewhere, and casually grabbed some grain that was there as a snack. [/quote]

How can you not know the difference between harvesting goods from a field as a farmer would, and walking thru a field and grabbing a quick handful of wheat to chew on the way? One involves actual work, and the other doesn't. Is it your contention that doing anything that involves burning calories is forbidden during the Sabbath? Congratulations, Wyrd - you're a Pharisee.

By this point, the Jewish religious leaders had codified what was to be considered work - and had also come up with legalistic ways around it. I won't go over all of them, but one of the funnier ones I've heard recently was that false teeth are considered a "burden" and that you couldn't wear them on the Sabbath. Same with glass eyes - gotta take 'em out on the Sabbath or else you are bearing a burden, and work is a no-no.

I refer you to Numbers 28:9, where commandments are made regarding what the priests were to do on the Sabbath. You'd likely consider it work. And Jesus pointed out that, had a lamb owned by one of the Pharisee's fallen into a pit, they would have rescued it. "Is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath?" - a very pertinent question. Wyrd of Gawd says no. Jesus says yes. I think I'll put my faith in Jesus. YMMV.

And who are you to know God's will in this case when you don't even understand the scriptures?

I refer you to Mark 2:19 - again, something you should know were you truly familiar with the Scriptures instead of someone with an obvious agenda.

Look, I'll tell you the same thing I told Jack Napier - perhaps you should PM me first when you want to speak about the Bible before posting something wrong for all to see?[/quote][/quote]

 

How can you not know the difference between harvesting goods from a field as a farmer would, and walking thru a field and grabbing a quick handful of wheat to chew on the way? One involves actual work, and the other doesn't. Is it your contention that doing anything that involves burning calories is forbidden during the Sabbath? Congratulations, Wyrd - you're a Pharisee.

By this point, the Jewish religious leaders had codified what was to be considered work - and had also come up with legalistic ways around it. I won't go over all of them, but one of the funnier ones I've heard recently was that false teeth are considered a "burden" and that you couldn't wear them on the Sabbath. Same with glass eyes - gotta take 'em out on the Sabbath or else you are bearing a burden, and work is a no-no.



I refer you to Numbers 28:9, where commandments are made regarding what the priests were to do on the Sabbath. You'd likely consider it work. And Jesus pointed out that, had a lamb owned by one of the Pharisee's fallen into a pit, they would have rescued it. "Is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath?" - a very pertinent question. Wyrd of Gawd says no. Jesus says yes. I think I'll put my faith in Jesus. YMMV.



And who are you to know God's will in this case when you don't even understand the scriptures?



I refer you to Mark 2:19 - again, something you should know were you truly familiar with the Scriptures instead of someone with an obvious agenda.

Look, I'll tell you the same thing I told Jack Napier - perhaps you should PM me first when you want to speak about the Bible before posting something wrong for all to see?[/quote][/quote][/QUOTE]

A simple thing such as tying shoe laces in a knot on the sabbath is considered work. Gathering food on the sabbath was forbidden. They couldn't even pick it up from the ground. They had to eat what they had gathered from the day before. So when Yeshua and his posse walked through the field and started grazing they were working. Moses would have stoned them to death. He was hardcore like that.

All gods are imaginary so they don't have any wills. We are discussing the rules specified in the fairy tale.

 

Ah - so you're trolling the thread. Understood.

 

What is meant by "the heavens" in the day that verse was written and what we consider "the heavens" today are likely two different things.

Sure, there is a limit to man's knowledge but that limit is pushed back further and further all the time. If we adopt a sense of complacency about expanding our knowledge then we are making a mistake. If we give up our curiosity we are giving up a key element of what it means to be human.

Yes, have intellectual humility. Be skeptical. But don't just let some religious concept taken out of context stifle your curiosity.

 

RE: What is this apocrypha parable saying?
※→ Stuart Wolfe, The Wyrd of Gawd, et al,

Yes, I have some serious reservations as to the source of this knowledge: (2 Points)

• "All gods are imaginary."
• "So they (All Gods) don't have any wills."

(QUESTIONS)

• How does this become relevant to the "apocrypha;" and its unknown authorship?
• What are "THE rules specified in the fairy tale?"

Excuse me if I missed the foundation of the explicit claim. Chalk it up to: OMS (Old Man Syndrome)

Most Respectfully,
R

 

Are you really saying that everyone believes in the same god and that they think he's exactly like their version?

When you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about you shouldn't call people trolls. Why don't you take the next 10 years off from posting about religious matters until you learn something about them?

 

All of the books in the Bible were written by members of the committee who wrote the Bible in the 690s. They included three sections in their work = the Old Testament, the New Testament, and the Apocrypha. All of the books were written by unknown men serving on the committee.

The basic rule in the Bible is that the believer is supposed to obey, without exception and without question. So when someone with authority tells him to do something he supposed to do it without whining about it. That's because the idea is that all leaders derive their authority from God, who appointed them, and to disrespect their commands is to disrespect God himself.

 

No, I'm saying that if you think this is all imaginary, then what you think all of it means is meaningless since you don't think any of it is real.

Actually, what I said is that you were trolling the thread, not that you were a troll. There's a difference. Making comments regarding the Scriptures without knowing the context and then assigning meaning to them is an example of trolling.

I know more about the Bible and it's context than you do, since (for starters) you couldn't even answer why God was telling the Israelites why they should stay in their tents. I suggest you use those ten years to understand the basic rules of grammar and reading. You're welcome.

 

Bye.

 

Which of the many God do you think is or are real, and based on what?

Regards
DL

 

Curiosity is good. Faith without facts is for fools.

I do not think that the definition of heaven has changed over time.

It has always been defined, basically, as the epitome of bliss and the ideal of whatever one considers to be the best place to spend eternity. No?

Heaven has always been and has always had a subjective definition of best and bliss.

Regards
DL