What is your educational attainment level?

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How many years of formal education have you had?

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  1. Grey Matter

    Grey Matter Well-Known Member

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    Curious what folks here have achieved in terms of formal education.

    Generally, 12 years means that you graduated high school.
    16 years means that you have a Bachelor Degree.
    18 years means that you have a Master Degree.
    20 years means that you have a Doctorate.
     
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    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    What about craftsman? Or Artisan? Journeyman? Masters? (as opposed to Master Degree...there is a difference) Why does it have to always be measured by what you can get in a college/university? I've seen some awfully smart people that never even graduated HS, and I've seen some really stupid people that have a doctorate.

    Too many believe that only those that have gone to college or university are the only smart ones or the only ones worth listening to.
     
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    I voted. I also don't understand the relevance.

    Look at how people talk trash about Dr. Jill Biden as if she's a fraud because she's not a "real" doctor. She has a Doctorate degree so the title is appropriate. Dr. Fauci is either worshipped or outright hated. And, on and on.

    People believe what they want to believe regardless of facts or logic behind it. It's human nature.
     
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  4. Ronald Hillman

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    I did my MBA whilst working so I only did 12 years of formal education, is the number of years relevant to people like myself who did higher education whilst perusing a career?
     
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    Ronald Hillman Well-Known Member

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    Too many people think education and intelligence are the same thing, I tell them you can buy an education, you cannot buy intelligence!
     
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  6. Grey Matter

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    It's just a poll. One that will not likely even get a minimum 30 samples to be significant.
     
  7. Grey Matter

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    Why would you think that? How did you attain an MBA without having attained a BA or BS? Formal just means that one actually attended classes with tests and grades and so forth. Doing it online counts and doing it while working counts.

    I put in the options as I did because there are likely a lot of folks that have something like say 90 semester hours of college classes which would be about equal to ~15 years.

    It's simply a convention, this number of years thing. There are exceptional people that attain a doctorate by 19 or 20 years old. There are also exceptional perpetual students that go to school far into their 20s and even 30s, and in some cases without even bothering to file the paperwork to finish a degree.

    I think an MBA is generally a two year program that requires one to have attained a Bachelor degree first, 120 + 60 semester hours, so it's rough equivalent years of formal education is 18 years.
     
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    Most people equate the title "Doctor" with M.D. or Physician. An M.D is often a Ph.D. AND an M.D., particularly with Psychiatrists. In fact, only a M.D, with specialized psychological training can use that title, so "Doctor Phil" is actually not one, since he has no Medical Doctorate but you can be a practicing Psychologist with as little as a bachelor's in Psychology in some States, go figure.
    A medical doctor is a licensed physician. He has considerable training beyond the simple academic degree and whatever specialty he has chosen

    Most nonmedical Ph. Ds have gotten the degree because they wished to teach in a major University and very rarely use the title unless it is in relation to their work, but they can and some do.

    Most people who run down academics are Trumpublicans, who don't like "pointy bearded perfessors" for one reason or another.
     
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    I left school without A Levels (not sure of your equivalent in US) so I had to get an equivalent just to go on to my BA, the whole process finally ending in my MBA took well over 20 years. I was into my 40s before I finished!
     
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    I gots me a real goo edumacation in da Detroit PUBLICk Skoo sistem. It’s only tooks me 14 yeers
     
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    Do things like professional certifications count?
     
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    This poll isn't capable of addressing these issues you point out beyond what the equivalent credit hours of attained vocational training amount to.
     
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    Which particular ones do you have?
     
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    structural firefighting, confined space rescue, technical rope rescue, hazardous materials responder, and some stuff like EMT and wildland firefighting that I've let expire. Tho its all prolly only another year or two worth of ed.
     
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    17 years for me. 12 years of the basic 1-12, and a 5-year Bachelor of Architecture degree after that.
     
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    Interesting and commendable stuff but not worth many credits in the system we have. However, there could feasibly be a PhD engineer at plant without the ability to rescue someone from a confined space watching you do the job. This poll simply fails to address such things.

    Reminds me of a conversation I had with a buddy back in August 19. He was talking about all of the crap he had degrees in - engineering, business, education, all the way up to attaining a PhD. And then he talked about how his friends and colleagues congratulated him the most on his attainment of a full EMT certification.
     
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    National EMT was a real PITA 15 years ago. Prolly worse now. I had and still have zero interest in medical response, but it was a $0.50 per hour raise at my job at the time, and they paid for the training and paid me to attend (as long as I passed) :)
     
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    It's so easy to get a Masters Degree in many places now that it's not much more than taking a few online courses.

    Hell, I known quite a number of people who didn't even have to write a THESIS to get theirs. What the hell kind of "Masters Degree" is that? :icon_picknose:

    Oh, and now evidently you don't have to defend a dissertation through 'Orals' in one of three foreign languages to achieve a Ph.D.

    No wonder we have to recruit people from abroad for important jobs in the U.S. :neutral:
     
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    For me it is my aviation credits. No matter what I have taken or done, when people see those aviation credits on my transcripts they go a bit gaga. "Summa cum laude, la dee da, i want to know about those flying classes!!!"
     
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    Oh, I voted before I read the OP. Does beauty school count?
     
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    It probably counts at least as much as some online "Masters Degree", without even a thesis being written.... :lol:
     
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    I received my Doctorate at UHK. I bought my Birkenstocks and Cardigan Sweater at Saks.
     
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    My one son has gone that route. Did the wildland thing for 8 years, was a Smoke Jumper for two and now he is a Rookie in Reno structural fires. Guess he wants some stability now.
     
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    Nice :) Smoke jumping is pretty hardcore. I never did that. I was certed wildland, but mostly just ran standby as a backup engine. We were a private dept contracted in a national park, and the govt only payed for additional wildland personel in emergencies. I got burnt out with it anyway. Structural is all EMS these days and wildland is just landscaping near fire. The fun part, crawling and busting through burning buildings, is a rarity anymore. Firefighting is better left to folks who enjoy EMS and landscaping... and public outreach. Best job in the world for those that do!
     
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    UHK is an important scientific research center in the Czech Republic. Congratulations! I'd bet you had to defend your dissertation during orals in a foreign language... probably French or German... n'est-ce pas...?
     

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