What is your personal religious ideology

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by Daggdag, Sep 2, 2020.

  1. DEFinning

    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2020
    Messages:
    15,971
    Likes Received:
    7,607
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Instead of my ideology, do you mind if I focus on just one step upon the path? It was at a time when I was doing a moderately serious amount of running. I'd always start off my runs at a much quicker pace than I could maintain for the 8 or so miles. Then one day, about a mile & a quarter in, I experienced what some might term a spiritual vision, though it didn't have the drama one might expect from that description. Others might ascribe the phenomenon to oxygen depletion, causing a mild hallucination.

    I was at the bottom of a very long, steep hill, thickly surrounded with tall trees. I guess it must have been far enough into the fall for the dark branches to have a vascular look against the spacious, late afternoon sky, through which textured cloud-masses gracefully glided. I was simultaneously struck by the impressions of both the clouds & myself being blood cells, coursing through creation's veins. I suddenly knew myself to be but a single cell in the body of the universe, feeling both peaceful and energized, as I strove forward.

    If it is true that Man is formed in God's image, could one of the meanings be that God, embodied by the universe, is organized & functions as a BODY, with many different types of cells performing their specialized functions, but not, in themselves, grasping the totality of which they are part? Any single cell in us is, at once, insignificant-- we constantly shed dead skin cells, w/o even noticing; and in our marrow, older red blood cells are destroyed at breakneck speed--- but, at the same time, each contains, deep within itself-- as might we-- the genetic information, the RNA & DNA, comprising a complete understanding of the whole.
     
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2020
  2. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2014
    Messages:
    7,785
    Likes Received:
    2,704
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Your post is a fine illustration of the contradictory writings contained within the Holy Bible. In Revelations, Jesus is portrayed as a vengeful demigod, determined to slay anyone daring to doubt him. But on the Cross, Jesus is portrayed as the forever compassionate, forgiving demigod who forgives those who are killing him, & asks God to do likewise. Many Christians see the Holy Bible as the "word of God," written by Him directly. I see the Holy Bible as a convenient collections of some of the most popular writings on the subject existing at the time, but ones that could be used effectively by the Church leadership to help maintain Church authority over the Christian masses. I don't regard the Holy Bible as the "last word" of God. There can never be any "last word" since both humanity & God continue existing & changing.
     
    Greatest I am likes this.
  3. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,659
    Likes Received:
    2,630
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    I am of the opinion that Pastor Todd Burpo prayed in such a way that forced the hand of YHWH and now.... God is beginning to intervene in human affairs much as Jesus raised up little Colton Burpo based on the angry.... extra chutzpah prayers on behalf of little Colton.....by his dad........

    I am rabidly universalist and I have hope for Azazel....... Abner Paul Azazel Baalzebub is his new name..... and for Stanley Milgram Lucifer Satan... and even for Delilah Jezebel Gomer Mary Magdalenet Lilith LLT......


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...s-and-the-media.331262/page-3#post-1072106575





    Illuminati totally controls orgainzed religion, politics, and the media


     
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2020
  4. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Mithra-Christianity-Zoroastrianism.html
     
  5. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    38,288
    Likes Received:
    14,760
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What is your personal religious ideology

    Substitute the laws of physics for god and you will be pretty close.
     
    Greatest I am likes this.
  6. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Deism is an example of people suppressing the truth about seeking God, to be their own god.
     
    Last edited: Nov 16, 2020
  7. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2013
    Messages:
    6,353
    Likes Received:
    695
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Are you for or against people putting themselves above the gods?

    Regards
    DL
     
  8. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Quoted from gotquestions.org.

     
  9. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2017
    Messages:
    20,729
    Likes Received:
    9,016
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I believe in the God described in the Gospel of John.
     
    The Amazing Sam's Ego likes this.
  10. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2013
    Messages:
    6,353
    Likes Received:
    695
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Why do you venerate a genocidal and infanticidal god?

    You are to emulate his character. Are you wanting to have a Hitler type character?

    Regards
    DL
     
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2020
  11. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    https://answering-islam.org/Q-A-panel/war.html
     
  12. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2013
    Messages:
    6,353
    Likes Received:
    695
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Shove your copy past, ********.

    Regards
    DL
     
  13. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    The Midianites were spared as an act of mercy.
     
  14. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2013
    Messages:
    6,353
    Likes Received:
    695
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Name the tribes that were not.

    That is rhetorical. I would not expect you to give such a long list.

    Regards
    DL
     
  15. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    There were midianites after the war with the Midianites.
     
  16. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2013
    Messages:
    6,353
    Likes Received:
    695
    Trophy Points:
    113
    In an infinite universe, god's list of crimes against humanity must be megabytes long.

    Regards
    DL
     
  17. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Jesus died for our sins. God is just but He is also love.

     
  18. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2013
    Messages:
    6,353
    Likes Received:
    695
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Why are you lying to me?

    Who do you, an adult perhaps, think that a myth is history?

    Regards
    DL
     
  19. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    The idea of Jesus being God makes sense. Why do you question it?

    https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-know.html

     
  20. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Why do you think Jesus being God is a myth?

    https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-say-my-God.html

     
  21. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2013
    Messages:
    6,353
    Likes Received:
    695
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Again you lie.

    I question it because substitutional punishment is quite immoral and evil . For you to think Jesus would promote such an immoral ideology is to insult Jesus.

    Let's chat on the immoral policy you promote.

    On Jesus dying for Christians. Try to think in a moral way.

    It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

    Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

    It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

    To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

    Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

    Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

    Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

    Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

    There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that.

    Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk.

    Regards
    DL
     
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2020
  22. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    God dying on the cross was the greatest expression of love for His creation. Jesus didn't just die for believers but for the sins of the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redeemer_(Christianity)

    Regarding your reference to Ezekiel 18:20. That verse doesn't mean original sin that original sin, or the collective judgments of the Old Testament, aren't true, so they don't preclude Jesus dying for the sins of the world. Jesus didn't sin but he chose to pay the price of our sin. Jesus didn't have to die for us but He chose to die for us because He loves us.

    https://www.gotquestions.org/parents-sin.html

     
  23. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2013
    Messages:
    6,353
    Likes Received:
    695
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Liar.

    He could not as we have the first right to forgive.

    Are you suggesting that Jesus did not believe in the quotes I put?

    Are you ready to take the immoral path instead of the path Jesus actually taught?

    Why are you ignoring Jesus and his teachings for an obviously and demonstrable immoral system?

    Do you care that little about morals?

    Regards
    DL
     
  24. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Humans can forgive each other but they cant atone for each other's sins. Jesus agreed with the teachings of the Old Testament. Jesus said He came not to abolish the Law but to fulfill the Law. I agree with the path that Jesus taught. I dont disagree with the Old Testament quotes that you mentioned. Im not ignoring the teachings of Jesus. The teachings of Jesus and the Old Testament teachings are not inconsistent with believing in Jesus dying for our sins. Jesus was more than a moral teacher, Jesus is God.
     
  25. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2013
    Messages:
    6,353
    Likes Received:
    695
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What the hell is wrong with you? You continue to lie just like a preacher.

    There is no atonement required for a forgiven sin, and Jesus dying for his creations is quite immoral as you are ignoring the law Jesus came to fulfill.

    Refute these quotes and wonder why you do not think a Jewish Rabbi would teach anything else.

    On Jesus dying for Christians. Try to think in a moral way.

    It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

    Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

    It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

    To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

    Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

    Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

    Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

    Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

    There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that.

    Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk.

    Regards
    DL
     

Share This Page