What Really Happened on 9/11

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  1. Anon00001

    Anon00001 Banned

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    OH NO HE CALLED THE TRUTH RIDICULOUS, LAUGHABLE (THE MOOOOST!!!), AND NONSENSE!!!! LOOOOL You smaaaart!
     
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    yes ... I laugh at anyone who believes in impossible scenarios ...

    sure the Jews did it ... I'm laughing ... get used to it ...
     
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    But accusing Christians of causing wars … or Muslims … Yea, you know—let's shield a very huge cult whose best interest is in its own survival from the critical judgment that any of its extremely wealthy (GREEDY) constituents would ever conspire to blackmail one of the other cults that, very conveniently, converted the entire Middle East into a paradigm ripe for Israel's expansion. Oh, yes—you know, because the suspicious wealthy Jew named Larry Silverstein who looks like the devil that bought the towers 6 weeks before they went down on an obvious date to rally the mass sheeple for war under the guise of patriotism—isn't suspicious … & neither is the extremely controlled demolition of 3 buildings he recently purchased which seem to defy physics all within the same day—and cannot, and have not ever been reproduced in any disaster or fire known in modern in engineering to even a slight degree.

    Yes, your sense of humor is the equivalent of a mental-retard who just watched a tower of wooden blocks stacked by his peer fall down under the weight of gravity. My intention is not to dog on the handicap in any way; by no means—I love them. However, I'm just saying that if you aren't receiving government assistance for your disorder you are really being ripped off.
     
  4. Bob0627

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    Well it wasn't "the Jews". Many of the 9/11 criminal suspects are indeed Jewish and Silverstein is of course both. But 9/11 was not about the Jewish religion, Bush and Cheney are not Jewish, neither are Rumsfeld and Rice and there's no question they had their bloody fingerprints all over 9/11, at the very least standing down and covering it up. In fact the Bush family and the Saudi royal family, including the Bin Ladens are long time business partners. And for some additional focus, the 28 redacted pages are about the Saudi royal family financing of 9/11. It was of course, the Bush administration that demanded that the 28 pages be redacted. The FBI has 27 boxes (they "discovered" 3 more recently) of documents on that very subject that they hid from the 9/11 Commission and Congress. They've been turned over to the courts but they're still classified.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...s-of-new-911-documents-discovered-in-florida/

    But you see many of these posters don't have any questions about 9/11, not anything they even want to discuss, they spend most of their time here attacking those who raise questions.
     
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    Right, I appreciate this response. I certainly do not think it's "the Jews", in the sense that many will take it. More like when people ask which species is polluting the planet, and people say: The Humans. It certainly doesn't refer to "all the humans", but is just a general statement regarding some people. So, a lot of people's uneducated interpretation that "the Jews" refers to "every single individual who identifies as Jewish is part of a magical collective conspiracy" certainly fits into the box of those eyebrow raisers who also assume that a goliath steel frame can turn into oatmeal in 3 separate instances within 8 hours.
     
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    There is only one known, proven and very provable way that can happen. It can be reproduced many times for any size steel frame high rise. They pay companies to do it. Well trained experts spend weeks planning, preparing and rigging to accomplish it. And under the correctly planned conditions, it works every single time.

    Now why didn't just think of setting fire to it when they CD a building and they still don't? Silverstein could have done it himself, no training or tools necessary, just a match.

    "The extensive three-year scientific and technical building and fire safety investigation found that the fires on multiple floors in WTC 7, which were uncontrolled but otherwise similar to fires experienced in other tall buildings, caused an extraordinary event."

    http://www.nist.gov/el/wtc7final_112508.cfm

    So NIST claimed the fires were uncontrolled but were otherwise similar to fires experienced in other tall building, yet they caused an "extraordinary event". And that's supposed to make all the sense in the world. And to add insult to injury they showed us a computer simulation cartoon how that happened only it's not how it happened, not even according to the NIST report. They also said it was a three-year investigation but 3 years earlier, Sunder said NIST couldn't get a handle on what caused the collapse of WTC7. How did he know that if NIST wasn't investigating it? And why couldn't they get a handle? After the report was released Sunder said "the obvious stares you in the face". So if it was so "obvious" in the first place, why did it take 3 more years of "investigation"? And that is also supposed to make all the sense in the world.

    As to the twin towers, NIST said the collapse was inevitable, because it always happens I suppose and they know that so no proof required .... oh wait.

    Talk about real eyebrow raisers. The tools in this forum are insignificant amateurs. Who wouldn't question this pile of bovine feces?
     
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    It's obvious to anyone with the courage to admit that the right to use power is often abused. Instead, it is simpler to sedate themselves into states similar to being comatose when it comes to the reality that free will isn't a divine guarantee—but a responsibility, and one that not only often fails, but is actually actively, and collectively networked into schematic positions of mass devastation purely the enjoyments of blood lust & material leveraging. It comes down to admitting that people are not robots by nature, and that conformity & social expectations aren't going to secure your marriage, your kids, or even your blood relatives.

    Thus, knowing that thousands of intricately interwoven beams with the breadth of young redwoods interlaced into indestructible grids, magically crumbled like slinkies defying the physics of something that even a preschooler could call bullish*t on—they choose the devil over the truth. In other words, it is simpler to situate yourself within paradigms of conformity where love doesn't actually exist—because people are temporally acting based upon the hive mentality & popularity rather than empathic inner self devotion & maturity—than to confront the trauma that perhaps the nexus reality will truly, truly, deeply, and mercilessly disappoint you, and so much so that not even faith can rescue you from a misery that will push you to suicide.

    I prefer to believe that there are good people out there, and that they can and will meet up and that faith is not a psychotic test of psychological & emotional endurance—but rather one of committed discovery. In this world, albeit nearly nonexistent in America—justice is not dependent upon what everyone is told, or believes—and love is not something we create within ourselves and entrap another into, but rather something we are.
     
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    True but in Amerika, money and power are the highest forms of justice. This is why US government puppets and their masters get away with crimes with impunity that would put ordinary people behind bars and even be sentenced to death. And this is why ordinary Americans can be permanently detained absent any due process protections just by being labeled a "terrorist" by those in power.
     
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    Always had a problem with the Pentagon.

    [video=youtube;5cFewUG3rSY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cFewUG3rSY&ebc=ANyPxKrIXFgm-Nc8UrMvMusDEujp-zlTgH5DhJve-azm9lq-QFPkBl5iED47SM4GzD5x17Js8du1oo dGnuHfsR-tGb4vrC7ePg[/video]
     
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    This guy knows his (*)(*)(*)(*). It just takes the reporter a minute to ask the right questions and listen more.

    [video=youtube;IXA-enq65ng]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXA-enq65ng&ebc=ANyPxKoWws_GUi3Hr3gu-yjgdzQFjTfxwbNVSqR2j15405S-6jYcYebOmaVq8neCq5ymL-VLsLTEtwu2q9-VCRsgyqF6cN8iAQ[/video]
     
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    Even according to the ancient Greeks, for successful drama to happen, the audience must enter into a willing suspension of disbelief. And so it is today, if you think about it.

    So, are we conditioned to often suspend disbelief? Do we become that gullible?
     
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    I wouldn't identify the gullible on 9/11 with "we", that would be insulting to "us" who are not gullible at all.
     
  13. Anon00001

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    Absolutely; the exploitation of power comes through the fabrication of reality, and people are conditioned to believing it because they worship power & information (pretty much first-come first-serve of being subjected to ideas) rather than the truth—and there is not only a difference, but this suspension of belief to consider the "reality" and "news"/"journalism" on TV with the same theatric zeal as watching a thriller—is the perfect recipe for sociopaths to take the stand.

    These sociopaths usually involve some form of "religious" fanatic group who lack the self-control to smack themselves for using brainwashing & obvious mind control techniques to manipulate people. No different than these Christian churches, these "Jews" are doing the same thing. It's all a "religious" theater, and the best kind is the one that goes unnoticed—but whose ultimate protection & agenda is upheld subliminally, so as to avoid questioning. Then, to bargain & seal the deal, indoctrinate the masses into associating free-thinking with tin-foil nerds who belong in a mental-institution, and these idiots become another allegory of the cave.

    When I was 14, a man stole my game and today he is making millions. People are so quick to absorb what I created and what is rightfully mine, but to empower the "leader" simply because they are consumers, and he exploited a child long ago enough & early enough that he was able to control the flow of information. There are some people today who are able to see through the lie, but my point is very simple that: Hijacking power & reworking people's ideas of what is right, what is wrong, who created what, what belongs to whom, and questioning rather than blindly consuming are very—VERY important issues in need of a wakeup call.
     
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    "Religion" has dominated nations for thousands and thousands of years. At the end of the day, most people place emphasis on their "religious" sect & family over their jobs & country, even the sleaziest of people. It doesn't mean they're good or trustworthy people, just that they know the mathematics of what happens when you bite the hands that feed you … SO even if they betray them in secret, especially during times of peace (which is 99% of a person's job experience; some peaceful working state) they are conspiring how to better their personal lives.

    So, the democracy gets bribed—because literally there is an infinite pool of sleezeballs who will always do this; many Christians, Jews, etc. are always bribing policies. It's not a matter of bigotry, it's a matter of reality; they're human-beings and they want to advance their cults—obviously. Every organization has its own self-interest at heart, first and foremost, for survival.

    So, you'll have bribes; it must always be kept secret, or it would be stopped; but then you'll have people who scheme & buy up information outlets like magazines, television shows, networks, and so-on. Ask any Christian who they think should own the presses & media, and they'll say: The church. Jews on the other hand are a little more cunning, and tend not to admit that it's their bottom line agenda as well; instead, they play the "innocent but persecuted" card, because it's more covert & the Jews don't want to convert you—you're not the "chosen people of God". So, they seek fake sympathy rather than fake worship—because it's the natural agenda that will empower them.

    The politicians get in and start thinking, "How can I start benefiting what I believe in? My people? My groups? My network?"

    The media & government becoming bribed & run by religious cults is literally just an inevitability, and has nothing to do with being a crazy idea; it's not a matter of if—but when—and not how long—but how soon—and not which—but who will get to it first.
     
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    Religion is crucial because it encourages superstition and fear and ignorance. Also, religion as practiced is very dependent upon having the young mind to condition and shape.

    Without religion, we might be all free thinkers. With it, we are submissive and superstitious creatures.
     
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    Religion = Indoctrination, it is the same tactic as that used by governments throughout the history of mankind, the US government is not an exception.
     
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    *chuckles* ... when are you going to tell us your theory on how all this went down Bob? ... all you have is that the Saudis were probably involved ... duhhh ...

    but stick to your "out" ... you can't offer anything that "we" will believe ...

    when you are ready to answer honest questions about your beliefs, please let me (us) know ...
     
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    I would go on to suggest that, like many terms, we ought to be fairly reckless but transcendent in our objective when it comes to using the term "religion" and "cult". As Archangel Gabriel put it, who is more qualified to speak—though it is not something I didn't already intuitively feel:

    "The Human Spirit is the only religion; all else is deviation from source."

    That is, only humanity is religion—because God must love Everyone. Though we are poor with language at times, I would like to take this moment to iterate that a better term for "government", and "belief-systems" is cult. That is, like the word "culture"; these "cults" can only be deviations—derived, and subset cults. When we allow those who call themselves "Jews" and "Christians" to refer to their belief-system & party as "religion", we do a grave disservice in deciding that love is partial. In such a case, it wouldn't be love—but favoritism & war: Us vs. them.

    Love is specifically the dance of humanity, inclusive of all—in the same way that music is inclusive of all the sounds. Now, one can certainly deviate from "love" into chaos—and I propose that Judaism & Christianity, along with any other "ism" like "capitalism" and I'll go on to allege the "government" is a form of cult: It deviates from the whole into amusement parks of self-contained chaos, perhaps bankrupt of human empathy at times in the name of intellectual rules when taken for the gospel truth rather than a fluid creation.
     
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    There's no difference between religion and cult, they are one and the same. Cult is often equated with extremism but there are extremists within many religions. Many religions are based on a deity of some sort, western religions are based on the belief in an all powerful god. Government is not much different, it is also a belief that it is all powerful. The main difference is that a god is mythical whereas a government is tangible. In the US, the Pledge of Allegiance is really a chant designed to indoctrinate the people into subservience to their government.
     
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    Groveling again Shiner? We've been through this countless times. Remember I have nothing for you (and still don't) and you have nothing me (and likely never will) or did you already forget what you said?
     
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    I agree with what you say, and I see your point, but indeed there is a Superconsciousness to the species. In the same way that an ant colony or bee hive has a queen with pheromones that regulate the entire hive ... In the same way that your body has a consciousness with trillions of cells. The only religion is the Species itself, however, while cults are deviant organizations who seek to present themselves as the "special followers of God" or "sources of freedom & life" like a government, etc.

    The pledge of allegiance is absolutely a cultic chant, for sure.
     
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    The belief in the OCT and the need to defend every aspect of it and attack those who disagree is a cult of sorts. Cognitive dissonance has its limitations so that's not it.

    In any case "What Really Happened on 9/11" is more important to me.
     
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    What is OCT?
     
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    The Official Conspiracy Theory on 9/11. The sacred government books (9/11 Commission Report and the NIST reports) and all the supporting US government and MSM propaganda.
     
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    I like the idea of turning the tables and calling the believers the conspiracy theorists.
     

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