What should America do about North Korea?

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What should America do about North Korea?

  1. Limited Military strike

    4 vote(s)
    14.3%
  2. Full scale invasion and regime change

    2 vote(s)
    7.1%
  3. Rely on China to induce more sanctions

    2 vote(s)
    7.1%
  4. Bring an international coalition against North Korea in military action

    4 vote(s)
    14.3%
  5. There is nothing America can do. We must live with a nuclear NK.

    10 vote(s)
    35.7%
  6. Other - please reply below

    6 vote(s)
    21.4%
  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    I truly do not understand your reasoning. On the one hand you seem to be saying that you don't think KIm is enough of a genocidal maniac to kill millions of South Koreans should we invade and then say we must invade or he will kill millions of Americans??

    My contention is that Kim's bellicosity towards the US is directed at his own people, not the US. He uses the threat of America invading to keep his own power, he has no real intention of sending nuclear weapons over to the US even if he could.

    He poses no real threat to the US now, and even if he should somehow develop ICBM technology in the future he still won't; we are too powerful and too far away. OTOH he DOES pose a VERY significant threat to a close ally of ours who border his area. He might not destroy them with nukes (though he does have the capacity) but practically no analysis of the situation I have read sees the South escaping very, very substantial harm if we should actually invade the North.

    If we leave Kim alone, and keep up sanctions and the diplomatic pressure, I don't see him as being in power for much longer. He is killing off his subordinates, which shows that his hold is slipping and usually signals the end for most dictators.

    As an aside, have you returned to Vietnam? I often wonder how Veterans of that conflict feel about being able to go there as a tourist now
     
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  2. jgoins

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    There is a ploy where someone threatens others with destruction if they are attacked. This is a delaying tactic to stall for time to accomplish something else. Kim's threat is such a ploy to delay any action which would interfere with his plans. If his delaying tactic is to stall an invasion to allow him to get his missile system perfected. He may be thinking that if he can send nukes to at least a couple of large cities we would be too devastated emotionally to respond thereby gaining the upper hand. This was the thinking behind the attack on Pearl Harbor and it probably would have worked if they kept it up. Should we take that chance and simply hope for the best?
     
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    Kim uses domestic terror, starvation, indoctrination from birth, secret police, murder and torture to stay in power. His killing subordinates does not show his hold is slipping. Rather, that no one can evolve to a level to challenge him. Killing subordinates is what kept Stalin, Mao and Hitler in power.

    I have never posted anything about invading N. Korea, do not think we should invade N. Korea, and oppose the two Koreas reuniting.
     
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    Japan really blew it on Pearl Harbor. It was nothing more tactically than a pin prick. Had Japan arrived with an invasion force it would have been an entirely different matter. Japan believed by so limiting the attack to a military target they could then negotiate a division of territory, particularly with Hitler entering the picture to tie us up with Germany.

    What would Kim, a true mass murderer and torturer sadist and sociopath, do if he had ballistic missiles capable of reaching the USA with nuclear warheads, learned he was terminally ill and in his constant paranoia believed the USA is the cause of his impending death? He blamed the USA for the death of his half brother. He has accused the USA of trying to assassinate him with a chemical weapon just this last May. What does a true mass murderer sociopath in that situation do if he has that capability and believes the USA is why he is terminally ill? Nothing? No retaliation against his murderer causing him such suffering and impending death?
     
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  5. Tuatara

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    Other - have respectful dialog with North Korea
     
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    I'm quite sure North Koreans and most of the world believe that the leader of the US is a total nut case.
     
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    Respectful dialog? "Mr. Kim, could you please stop your nuclear and ICBM research and stop starving your people please, please." His response, :nana: or :machinegun:
     
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    After 8 years of a doormat it is difficult for the world to know what to make of this president. North Koreans only know what their leader wants them to know.
     
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    Why would they "definitely use nukes"?
     
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    The US does not have a capability to wage this one hour war you propose.

    If we attempted to move sufficient assets to the region to even remotely pull something like that off, we'd telegraph our intentions to the NorKs and lose any element of surprise such a plan would need.

    And hundreds of thousands of South Korean civilians would die because of your war of choice.
     
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    We don't have space based kinetic weapons. There is no such thing as stealth in space. If such satellites exist, anyone with a telescope could see them and would whistleblow their existence to everyone.

    We do not have the capability to take out North Korea's artillery without mass use of nukes.
     
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    You do know the MOAB is delivered by unarmed, unarmored, unmanueverable, slow cargo planes, yes?
     
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    The US does not have the capability to take out North Korea's artillery in a first strike without using nukes. They simply have too much of it.
     
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    In what way was Iraq in 2003 not playing well with others?
     
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    And moving all those assets into place would telegraph our intentions and give the NorKs an opportunity to move their artillery or worse launch a spoiling attack pre-emptively.
     
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    First, we destroy the main North Korean ground-to-air defenses with fighter aircraft and/or drones. Then we can deliver thermobaric weapons using "slow cargo planes" or other means. You do know that not ALL thermobaric weapons must be delivered by "slow cargo planes"... right?

    The only thing that keeps us from wiping NK out right now is China. And, yeah, China is a big nuclear military power and everything, but it is also very, very vulnerable. As an example, did you know that only about 15% of the Chinese landmass is even capable of growing food crops? When you come right down to it, it wouldn't be all that hard for us to literally starve the Chinese to the point of complete civil breakdown, if we really needed to.... Short of our getting involved in a complete nuclear war with China, I cannot imagine a way that they could do anything similar to us... and that, whatever else, would entail the complete death of China....

    Bottom line -- if we had the f*cking guts to do it, we could probably kill Kim Jong-un and 'drain all the pus' out of NK with complete impunity. But, with half the Congress being cowardly Democrats, and half of the other half being cowardly RINO's, I don't see us doing a damned thing but rolling over and giving the little bastard exactly what he wants -- along with more time to develop ICBM's and thermonuclear weapons to kill us with....

    [​IMG]. "Special 'peace' delivery of rice for Mr. Kim!" :truce:
     
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    China will never let us go to war with NK. They'll kill Kim themselves before they let that happen.
     
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    You do know North Korea has hundreds of SAM systems not counting Manpads and most of those systems are mobile and easy to hide, right?

    It would be impossible to destroy all of them before North Korea begins the process of converting Soeul into a moonscape.
     
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    What are you talking about? There are more starving people in the US and where does the US get any right in telling other nations to stop using nuclear research.
     
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    How do you know they are not starving, have you been there? Do you know more than the UN and news media?

    No one in there right mind wants NK to have nuclear weapons, not the UN not Europe, only you. Are you a North Korean sympathizer or one of Kim's stooges?
     
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    Guess you forgot the noncooperation with the UN and their prior invasion of Kuwait. Don't say they didn't have WMDs because the long lead in to the invasion gave them ample time to truck all the WMDs to their friends in Syria.
     
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    To obtain maximum impact and it would probably be more than one.
     
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    What makes you think our resources aren't already in the area?
     
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    Because they aren't. If that many aircraft were stationed at bases all over the region, there'd be stories about it all over the place.
     

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