What should be subsidized besides health care?

Someone made a joke about getting a free Corvette. Is it really any more outlandish than free college? How can I get to my lesbian dance class if I don't have a car.

And while we're on the subject, how about some free gasoline?

 

Serious question: have any of these politicians calling for free stuff ever started or run a business?

 

No. I'm exposing your non-sequitur. Are ;you running away from your own question?

 

No one would ever admit that. How about restating the questions you are both supposedly running away from, so I can answer them for you?

 

Giggles.
Free shitters are all the same

 

Non-sequitter!!!!!!!

Translation: my answer would either ruin my argument or prove embarrassing

 

Of course they wouldn't. I'm just reflecting back to the poster their own fallacies. Don't worry about their question. They were just practicing... what in logic is known as a "Plurium Interrogationum" Fallacy. (loaded question fallacy). Of the "did you stop beating your dog" type. @squidward is not the sharpest knife in the cabinet, but I don't think they're so dumb that they would expect anybody to actually respond to such a question.

 

You are? Nah! I'm guessing some of you are taller than others.

 

Loaded question
Translation: you were cornered and can't answer, but thought you'd throw around some insults instead.

 

You've assessed us incorrectly. It's a perk to have insurance paid by the employer. It makes you want to stay with them when they treat you well. See, most states are 'at will' with respect to employment. That means, you don't have to work for that particular employer and they don't have to employ you, for whatever reason.

That is liberty. You can leave, if you want. You can choose any number of career paths. No one tells you where you must work due to some testing. You ask for the testing, if you want the best chance to make a good living. Then, you choose to follow that path... or not.

Slavery is more akin to those socialist countries who test and tell you where to go to get your education, what courses you need to take and then find you a job that you must do until they tell you to work some other place, and possibly get retrained for the new job.

That's slavery. That's forced labor. You must do that in a socialist country or you won't be participating and pulling your weight for the food, housing, clothing, etc., the government gives you.

Oddly enough, it's the same with capitalism without social programs. Guess what? We are headed for that. It won't be a bunch of folks sitting around collecting. It will be work or prison. Yes, that is forced labor.

 

A guy on the street, age 40, needs a heart transplant. He hasn't worked in years. He's not disabled.

I don't want to pay for his transplant. If he can raise the money on his own via GoFundMe or if the hospital wants to give him a freebie, that's fine.

 

[QUOTE="Golem, post: 1070483919, member:
Please make a specific point, if you have one. Mine is simple: we live in a society because the human race cannot survive if not in society (a community). Therefore, anything that preserves the cohesion of the community, is morally "good", anything that opposes it is morally "bad". That is a universal moral principle. Allowing people to get sicker and sicker until they die because they can't afford healtchcare, when this is due to high cost of healthcare, and that high cost is due to the profit of big corporations, goes against the cohesion of the community. Therefore it's morally wrong. So the community must act to prevent that. Healthcare is a human right. Profits are not a human right. Therefore, healthcare trumps profits.[/QUOTE]


I'm not sure what the problem is with this, though it seems specious. I think the problem is the leap from "health care for all is good for society, therefore everyone has to pay for it."

If you could show that Medicare for all were indispensable to a cohesive society, like bridges and roads, you'd at least have a coherent argument. But you can't. The USA was functioning well enough in decades past, if imperfectly, without Medicare for anybody, never mind "for all."

There is also a problem in assuming that there is no way a person can get medical care absent Medicare. That's simply incorrect. There are tons of charitable institutions and tons of charitable impulses in local communities, these on top of "for profit" medical clinics.

 

Our little friend is confused about it.
In fact, hes confused about the concept of negative and positive rights in general

 

Taxes are a violation of your rights? So you don't believe in government.

Go live with monkeys and see how that works out. You can have all the negative rights you want; until the biggest ape takes them away.

 

Yes, they have dropped from over $30 a watt, to less than 30 cents. And you can have them installed for free. You just pay each month instead of paying your old power bill.

 

So in addition to preferring chaos over civilized life, you don't believe in the justice system either.

Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Do away with speedy and impartial trials. That takes away my negative rights!!!

You have a right to life - that takes resources from someone else

 

We have a right to have our person and property unviolated, no? Then taxation would violate that right.

 

I don't recall advocating against speedy and public trials.

 

That is a positive right. You said all positive rights are illegitimate.

 

No, you don't. Taxes were a part of the government from the start. It is not possible to have a free government. That is why Congress has the power to levy taxes.

 

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.

 

and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States

The general welfare.

 

Maybe. Maybe not. But I don't advocate against speedy and public trials.

 

Are you saying that taxation doesn't violate anyone's property?

 

Here are the nations that don't have income taxes
he countries that do not pay income tax include:

• United Arab Emirates. The United Arab Emirates is one of the most attractive oil countries in the Middle East that does not have any federal income tax. ...
• Cayman Islands. ...
• The Bahamas. ...
• Oman. ...
• Bahrain. ...
• Brunei. ...
• Qatar. ...
• Bermuda.