What should the West's reaction be to a Russian invasion of Ukraine be?

~ You Americans have turned into sissies ...

 

It won't hurt Putin. It will hurt every day Russians.

 

Sorry, but I always thought I'm the biggest right - wing Conservative here.
Just ask veterans

 

Maybe, instead of that, we've actually LEARNED something over the years after wallowing in one pile of sh*t after another, wasting huge numbers of American military personnel and countless billions of dollars for NOTHING... in places like Vietnam, Kosovo, Bosnia, Iraq, and Afghanistan....

And Ukraine? That would dwarf all the other piles of sh*t!

 

Step one... begin discussion of the building of at least one if not TWO Jewish temples in Europe.....
Step two... begin discussion of moving the remains of Rabbi Nachman of Breslov to somewhere in Israel......

Step three..... introduce a Unified Field Theory of Modern World Problems that is partly founded on a plan for peace in the Middle East that
admits that President Trump and his family and team accomplished a lot in Israel and in all of the Middl East..........

This is merely an opening gambit.... there is far, far, far, far more to what I have in mind.......



After the Abraham Peace Accord turn deserts green...

 

~ Maybe - but unlikely. Those "wars " were political and should have been over within 24 months. The only one who learned anything and went forward to serve the people was D.J. Trump. Look where it got him ...
Elected politicians concentrate on "critical race theory ", changing the world temperature with ridiculous "green deal" and "systemic racism ."
Americans need to stand up to their elected hacks - but have failed to do so. Hope for the future ...

~ America has a powerful military and needs to use it before it's too late.

 

I fear that it is too late for that, James. Over half the population of the U. S. is currently getting one form of welfare 'suck' or another, and now that's really all they care about.

It's pure hubris on the part of Republicans to think that they're just going to breeze into the elections this November and take over both houses of Congress -- easy as pie! They totally underestimate the ability of Democrats to roll out even more and larger handout-welfare programs to trade in exchange for VOTES.

And, if a little 'Vietnam-style' adventure in Ukraine helps to deflect attention away from what a mistake all that would be -- who cares? It's OK so long as the welfare 'goody' keeps hitting the mailbox every month. Hint: Lyin' Lyndon Johnson pioneered the concept with his pandering "War-On-Poverty" while stupidly plodding ahead with his Vietnam War....

 

I know Ukraine is not really in Asia, but I feel the need to repeat a military maxim here: "Never get involved in a land war in Asia."

Iraq and Afghanistan were justifiable but bad ideas in the long run. Ukraine, being bigger, would be even worse in my opinion.

 

~ I am afraid you could be correct.

 

Propaganda is exactly what it is.

 

Ukraine, Georgia, and Moldova are not Russian business.

Propaganda.

We have more than enough nukes to take down Russia if we have to.

US nukes are unstoppable too.

 

There is nothing wrong with giving weapons to Ukraine so they can defend themselves.

 

Are you seriously going to gamble your own life so an ethnic Ukrainian Russians living in them districts next to the Russian border is under control of the Ukrainian government?

Who seriously in the west can give a damn if some Ukrainian Russian lives under Russian control or under Ukrainian control? I really can not understand who in the hell in the west would do that. What's there to win? 72 virgins? Ukraine is a **** country, Russia is too. Them Ukrainian Russians would do "fine" either way.

 

Yes, stop Russian expansionism, give Putin a bloody nose and hopefully get him toppled. Or is the Ukraine a "far off country of which we know little"?

 

Dude. The break away parts of Ukraine are inhabited by ethnic Russians by a massive margin. They are already there, and have been there for who knows how long. Are you seriously going to waste your life so that Dimitri the plumber gets to be governed by the Ukrainian government?

You do not know the guy. You don't owe him anything. If you do not go, it would have no impact on your life at all. And Dimitri would piss on your corpse. So do explain why you want to go anyways? Are you going to gamble your life, killing others, including civilians who are in the way.... because you want to hurt the feelings of Putin? Is that it?


So when you accidentally killed some kids and you're dying with you leg is blown off, and Dimitri stands over you ready to take a piss on you... you would smile and think... I sure got Putin feelings hurt!

That's it, isn't it?


How is this making America first? How is this being a good little patriot?

 

Dude, there are also parts of Russia with big Ukrainian populations, should the Ukraine be allowed to invade them? You sound like Neville Chamberlain or worse. Not being American I wouldn't know about being a good little patriot but I've already put my life on the line for Queen and Country and accepted that risk. We should stand up for what is right before the tyrants knock on our door.

 

~ I like that idea ...

 

Very doubtful there are large area's with big concentration of ethnic Ukrainians in Russia. And even if so, it's not really relevant to my remarks.

And I find it just weird to think you want to fight so some ethnic Russian Igor the plumber with 1000's of other ethnic Russians must be part of the Ukraine.... before Russia would be knocking on the door of the UK. The distance between that Igor and the UK is utterly massive. Unlike the idea that the border of Ukraine compared to Russia. It's right next to each other. And their viewpoint is that they can not accept that western mercs stand at their border.

So you're actually thinking like a Russian, with the twist that the opposing party otherwise would actually be at the door.

 

So is all life on Earth, and that is what you are going to get in very short order.

There have been a lot of studies done on this and the the one thing they all emphasize is that everything dies very quickly. Not just a few people. EVERYTHING, even the cockroaches. The ecosystem will only take so much, eventually it turns on you.

 

No I'm not, Russian expansionism is a huge threat to Europe, Putin is picking this fight to distract his population from their domestic woes. I don't want to fight anyone that's why I said we should let them come and bleed them dry,

 

Of course it is. You just said you do not want the opposing side knocking on your door. That is the argument of Russia. Thanks for playing.

 

I voted, "Economic Sanctions", with a big but...

...Western countries should send 1.2 million soilders with equipment, and base them in Ukraine.

As Putin keeps his rhetoric up, hit Russia with whopping sanctions (the EU will panic because that's where most gas comes from)

 

Right. The west should put 1.2 million soldiers at the border with Russia and mock an invasion into Russia. That will accomplish a peaceful outcome and low gas prices.

 

No, the troops just play pool and do military practice. No need to antagonise Russia at the border. It just means, if Russia decided to gallop in, not only the Ukrainian army is there, 1.2 million foreign troops are there with many million in reserve.

 

Them being there at the border, is the antagonizing. And they won't accept that the west does that. Currently the eastern part of Ukraine is not under Ukrainian control. At the first glimpse of 1.2 million soldiers about to show up, the Russians will call that crossing their red line and defend that new border in Ukraine... like it or not. That's where we are at.