What Truthers Believe

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  1. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Yes you do Scott.

    Here is an image showing two frames of the video that I matched up.
    impactlocation.png

    Here is that same image that I marked up.
    impactlocation2.png

    Notice where the wing disappears IN A STRAIGHT, VERTICAL LINE where it enters the building. That line matches the center of the flash oval PERFECTLY. It shows the real impact location and where the jet actually entered the building.
     
  2. Shinebox

    Shinebox Well-Known Member

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    I would like to see Bob reply to this as his eyes detected the flash 1/2 second prior to impact ...
     
  3. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    He fell for the same issue Scott is falling for. The rest of the nose end of the fuselage is not showing due to a video artifact/anomaly caused by the flash. I pointed this out to Scott using the sports video screenshots that have similar artifacting/anomalies, but he blew it off.

    The latest screen shot of the wing and where it disappears into the building puts Scott's (and what Bobby THINKS he can explain he is seeing) claim to rest. Scott (and Bobby) are both dead wrong.
     
  4. Shinebox

    Shinebox Well-Known Member

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    I can't believe that flashes and pods are even in the conversation anymore ... it's been debunked so many times on so many forums ...

    however, I still would like to see Bob explain the 1/2 second claim ...
     
  5. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    More for you to chew on Scott/Bobby.
    Your video shows where they think the flash should be using the screenshot you keep referencing as being the "the nose inside the building". The problem With the is that it puts the impact location almost on the center of the perimeter facade, actually closer to the left side of the building. The plane impacted at about perimeter column 422 (first column in the facade wall is 401. Column 400 is the staggered column in the beveled corner), which is about 70 feet in from the first perimeter column on the right, NOT in the center of the perimeter facade face like you and your video claim. See marked up image below.
    impactlocation3.png

    Below is the impact location with the numbered facade columns.
    wtc2 hole.cartoon.jpg

    Just more proof you are completely wrong.
     
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    Amazing what the spin Fourth Reich propaganda for a flash of sunlight reflection......at least there are other forums with freedom of speech .
     
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  7. Bob0627

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    Talk about "man up" Gamo, it seems to me you ducked this real fast and hoped I wouldn't notice.

    So misplaced your stones somewhere did you? That's ok though, like I predicted above you're not going to respond with any degree of honesty anyway, so best just ignore my questions stoneless one.
     
  8. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Remember what you said Bobby?
    Quit pretending for the masses here that you are honestly interested in anything I (or any person you deem an "OCT" apologist) has to say or put forth. You're looking foolish with your "faux interest/caring".

    Go back and check your eyes in regards to the impact of the plane BEFORE the flash. You need glasses.
     
  9. Gamolon

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    :roflol:

    What a crock Bobby.

    The ONLY way you'd consider ANYTHING posted by those you deem as "OCT apologists" as honest is if it would agree with your viewpoint/beliefs. Stop with the fake interest in debating. You've stated many times here that you neither care nor believe anything I say. Why continue to respond to me then? Oh yeah. I forgot. It's so you can use it to show people the true "OCT apologist nature".
     
  10. Bob0627

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    Yeah I do Gamo. This is a discussion forum and that’s what I’m here for. And none of that drivel consists of an answer to my questions. What it is though is a confirmation of what I posted, no stones and blatant dishonesty on your part for obvious ducking. What I care about is using people such as YOU to expose the many fallacies about 9/11. In this case the confusion on your part as to the (il)logic you try to employ as already explained. But you are correct about one point though I don’t care about you personally. You have nothing to do with 9/11 and are irrelevant within that context. Hope that clears that up for you son.
     
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    Yet another fallacious assumption on your part. I posted many times that I’m not here to debate anyone. A debate is a game of sorts with a winner and a loser. I’m not here to play games, I’m here to discuss plain and simple. So there is NO interest at all on my part in debating.
     
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  12. Gamolon

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    :roflol:

    Stop with your faked interest in "discussion" Bobby. You have no interest to "discuss" anything unless it's with cronies who have the same beliefs as you. That much is evident.
     
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    I admit I haven't read the rules of the forum (unlike Bob who has them memorized) , so I won't post any links but one of the top troofers is being destroyed on another forum ... I'm thinking a possible hack as Tony cannot really be this stupid ... can you Tony? ... had a few nips when you posted that? ...
     
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    Cute emoji Gamo. It’s impressive but I’m afraid the cartoon and the rest of your phony copout doesn’t answer my questions stoneless one. There is a reason I’m asking but you refuse to cooperate. That’s ok, your illogic has already been made obvious.
     
  15. Gamolon

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    You're right!

    Because you have the preconceived notion that whatever I say is going to be dishonest anyways AND you don't care what I have to say! you've only said it a million times on this forum! So why waste my time? Your faux interest wears thin. No wonder you've been booted from other forums.
     
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    Of course thank you. And the rest of your post is also not any kind of answer. It’s just further confirmation that I’m right.

    That’s partly correct but as already explained I do care what you have to say because I fully intend to use it even if it’s dishonest as anticipated.

    Actually I was booted from only 1 forum that I had no further interest in participating in because of their censorship, bias and intolerance. And I let the mod know exactly how I feel about him on the way out. So he booted me as I expected lol.
     
  17. Gamolon

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    Perhaps it's your eyesight that's defective or your brain that constantly steers you to pray to the OCT that affects your eyesight. You also see 3 natural gravitational collapses, so much for your eyesight. For me and many others the flash still precedes impact. But either way, it absolutely requires investigation, not dismissal as you want to dismiss anything and everything that might contradict or question the OCT.
     
  19. Gamolon

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    Keep ignoring the fact that you got the flash before the impact completely wrong. Keep trying to bury this point under your inane postings Bobby. Talk about "not having stones!"

    :roflol:
     
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    Yep keep avoiding my questions stoneless one but do bring up everything else you can think of to try to coverup your utter illogic especially with childish cartoons.
     
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    What's the point of going on? You people will always make the last post with the attitude that you're winning no matter how lame your position is. I think your success rate at making the viewers agree with your version is close to zero because this anomaly is simply too clear for you to obfuscate. The flash is obviously to the right of the fuselage and the nose is obviously inside the building.




    According to your video...




    ...the flashes are caused by an instant transfer of kinetic energy to heat energy because of a collision. There's simply no sign of that happening in the footage. Obfuscate all you want. There's a point at which things are so clear that sophistry simply becomes ineffective.
     
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    The 'debate' has been over for years, if the 'debate' is about the veracity of the OCT. For me the debate was over when the members of the 911 Commission acknowledged that their work was just a cover-up to protect the guilty parties.

    As time went on, every new fact discovered ended up contradicting the OCT.

    As you say Bob, it's now just a discussion.
     
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    The nose CAN'T be inside the building where you say because that's not the plane of impact between the jet and perimeter facade. There is a "straight line of disappearance" in the lower screenshot in the image below that shows where the wing/plane go into the building. It doesn't match where you think the nose is going into the building according to the photo above in my image below. I explained how the flash creates and anomaly and blocks/obscures the rest of the nose giving the appearance that the nose end is in the building. I gave similar graphic anomaly examples using screenshot from sports videos.
    impactlocation2.png

    I also gave you the math that locates where you think the nose is in the building. Your location is left of the halfway point of the facade. The actual impact is on the right of the facade and matches where I show the "straight line of disappearance" in the bottom screenshot in the image below.
    impactlocation3.png
     
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    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Based on what you "see" from a crappy, zoomed, low resolution video screenshot. I even explained how objects in videos can be partially blocked by other objects as graphic anomalies.

    Example below. Again. This first screen capture shows a SOLID, white yardline marker (red arrow pointing at it) on the field as the player approaches it.
    football2.PNG

    The next frame shows the players foot OVER the same yardline marker, but now part of the yardline marker is MISSING (red arrow pointing at the missing part).
    football.PNG

    Using the logic that you are using with the "nose in the building" perspective, are you telling me that the screenshot showing the missing yardline marker is actually a true representation? That someone or something physically ERASED that part of the line to make it show up as partially missing?

    How about an answer for once Scott?
     
  25. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Tell you what Scott. Put your money where your mouth is. I took a screen capture from the video above. Tell me how YOU think the flash inside the red oval was generated? Was it a missle? What?
    jet.PNG

    Or how about this one? Taken from this video:


    Screen capture:
    jet2.PNG
     
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