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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    You are probably right. You and others voted for Trump because he was an incompetent idiot. You wanted chaos in Washington. You want government shutdowns.

    You just said so.

    Those are the kind of people who voted for Trump, and, so often, they admit it.
     
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    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Like I said, it's not a law. You want to see his, show everyone's in the three branches. It's only fair.

    It doesn't beg any questions, since the IRS will have his arse, if he screws up his taxes.

    Those questions are ridiculous without looking at Congress, too. Hell, they are all above the laws that we follow, in some ways.

    He must be quiet about things, just like Congress. He's playing the game, but he is not good at it, nor does he want to play it, because it costs so much and doesn't get much accomplished.

    You must be for Congress and him having open hearings, if you want honesty and openness. Otherwise, you are terribly disingenuous.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Stop worrying. The IRS has specialists on the Russian issue who know Trump's tax returns inside out and backward to forward. If he was in danger, they would have told you by this time.
     
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    No, Robert, we will rely on the experts who would be analyzing Trump's tax returns.

    Are you using that as some boneheaded excuse as to why Trump doesn't need to reveal his tax returns. You must like the idea of your President having financial ties to Russia and other foreign governments.

    I clearly have trouble understanding you.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why didn't Schumer or Pelosi get all over him when they both had him there for the grabbing? Perhaps they no longer care.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you mean ties such as Hillary has, no thanks.
     
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    I'm all for it, but that isn't the issue here. You are trying to derail the issue. This is about Trump's taxes, not the 535 members of Congress and nine justices.

    Which would explain why he is under permanent audit. The IRS doesn't trust him.

    Americans should not trust any President who wants a government shutdown as he admitted during that dog and pony show in the Oval Office. The world has seen that. It was godawful embarrassing. Our federal government at work.

    Which explains why you want to change the subject.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Has it occured to you yet that your daily belching about Trump gets damned boring?
     
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    Republicans don't know what Trump wants to do, they say. Will he go all the way and shut down the government or will he do what he has done in the past, back off. A government shutdown caused by the Republican President won't do the GOP any good.

    Republican Senator John Kennedy said it best. "I don’t want to see government shut down. I think we ought to surprise ourselves and try to do something intelligent and try to work it out. Having said that, I don’t think the president’s bluffing."

    The point being, why should Republicans care what Trump is thinking? He led them in a disaster in the mid-terms. His popularity is in the tank. He is facing multiple criminal charges with more to come. He can't keep good help. Just in the last couple months, he has lost McGahn, Haley, Sessions, and Kelly. The White House is in chaos, and every day there is a twitter storm about Mueller, Cohen, and pleas of innocence filled with lies.

    Who cares what Trump thinks. Congress should pass a veto-proof bill to keep the government open. No one wants the damn wall anyway except Trump. He is a minority of one.
     
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    I am pretty sure he is not the only one who wants a wall.
     
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    Trump is not some octopus. Trump fought more than the Democrats. He fought the media as well.

    But despite gains by Democrats, do they think they beat Trump or the actual opponent they actually faced? If they think they beat Trump, they are wrong. Beating Trump means the public was beat. i am clearly as upset with the midterms as was the Democrats the last election. Boy were they fighting mad. They showed up in DC promising to blow things up due to Trump.

    But notice the major change today. We are not marching in the streets angry and promising to blow things up. That is how Democrats do things.

    We do not have the Republican resistance. We still have the tea party. But they never ripped things down the way Democrats do it.

    Never did the tea party have the media behind them like the democrats pink crude vagina hats did.

    So hold on. I am sure we will recover. We always have in the past. I warn my citizens posting. Do not allow the Democrats back in power. You think you are loaded down by laws today?

    That is just the beginning.

    Oh shutting down the Feds? Nancy and Chuck know how to keep it open. We want security now not if and when they decide to give it to us. Tijuana is besieged by illegals. if you want to help TJ then help shove away their illegals.
     
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    I am going back to review if the place fell to pieces when Clinton shut it down for 21 days. Seems Democrats bragged he had a great economy.
     
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    I was being sarcastic and, as usual, you missed the point by a mile.
     
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    Your so called sarcasm was only a very slight exaggeration on your part. As usual you failed to notice the difference.
     
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    The Republicans in Congress are still clueless about the shutdown. So, they went home!

    Bloomberg reports, "House Republican leaders sent their members home for a six-day break Thursday without revealing any plan to avoid a looming government shutdown.

    "In Paul Ryan’s waning days as House speaker, leaders are wavering about whether to try to pass a spending bill with the $5 billion President Donald Trump is demanding for his wall at the Mexican border. Senate Republicans also haven’t announced any plan to fund the government.

    "At one point, third-ranking House Republican Steve Scalise of Louisiana said Thursday the House would "move a bill" containing the $5 billion. But minutes later, second-ranking GOP leader Kevin McCarthy of California responded to a reporters’ question, "I didn’t hear him say that” and then added, "Interesting.'"

    Your tax dollars at "work."
     
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    Trying to derail? What? I've told you, Trump doesn't have to show his income, period. You seem to think he does because you and others want to try to find something to use against him. He doesn't have to allow that. No one does. That's also the law. If you don't like laws, then buy an island and run it the way you see fit.

    Congress shut the government down previously. Of course, the dems had a good reason, right? However, keeping our nation safe isn't a good enough reason for you.

    Talk about derailing your own thread...sheesh. You couldn't stay on topic if you were the only poster.

    This thread was about how great it was for Trump to be able to get dems to show what they truly believe. We found out. They don't like transparency when they have to show everyone how they do business. They don't do good business, and want you to believe them, so they stay hidden. What they do is absolutely our business, much more so than Trump's personal wealth.
     
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    I know that, but it isn't a law. There is no law that compels a President to reveal his taxes.

    However, every President since Nixon (of all people) has disclosed his taxes. Why? To show Americans he can be trusted. You apparently don't think that is important.

    Whether or not Trump can be trusted is in serious question. Trump praises communist dictators. At Helsinki, Trump rejected American intelligence and trusted Putin instead. Speaking at a rally in West Virginia, Trump revealed that he had “fell in love” with Kim Jong Un. “I was really being tough and so was he. And we would go back and forth. And then we fell in love, ok? No really. He wrote me beautiful letters. And they’re great letters. And then we fell in love.” "President Xi and I will always be friends, no matter what happens with our dispute on trade,"Trump tweeted.

    Why his fascination with communist dictators? When one takes into account his company, a company he never divested when he became President, the answer may lie in his tax returns. That would explain why he does not want to reveal them.

    Then there is all this business with Cohen, sex with porn star, sex with a Playboy bunny, hush money paid and a conspiracy, charges of collaboration with a hostile foreign government and obstruction of justice.

    When all that is taken into account, very serious questions can be asked about whether or not Trump can be trusted. His refusal to reveal his tax returns is a sure indication that he can't be trusted.

    You don't think that is important, but the vast majority of Americans do.
     
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    What this says is that you, and others who think like you do, learned absolutely nothing from the 2016 election and why the Democratic presidential candidate in 2020 is likely doomed as well.
     
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    That is not the issue, and you know it. Trump knows it. The issue is his wall. Geez, that is Middle Age technology. There are several far more efficient ways to control the border using 21st Century technology. Most Democrats and Republicans agree, the money should be spent on those methods, not an archaic wall.

    If Trump really wanted to keep our nation safe he would agree with his party that his wall is wasteful and inefficient.

    When asked by the USA TODAY Network whether they support the president’s initial $1.6 billion budget request to begin construction, only 69 of the 292 Republicans on Capitol Hill said "yes."

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...rvey-congress-republicans-billions/640196001/
     
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    There is no question as to whether or not Trump can be trusted...no question at all.
     
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    Sandy, how about you stop bitching about Trump and our wall ten minutes and give us your democrat buddies plan to protect our nations borders.
    #iamreallyarepublicanindemocratclothingandican'thelpmyself
     
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    There is a very basic problem when you do not use a physical barrier which is difficult to go over or under.. If you use a lesser structure, you are forced to be in the position of having to respond to that area within the time required to get by that barrier. That requires more people on the border.

    We lock money up in vaults in a bank. That is a middle age archaic technology which can be overcome. However, the time it takes to overcome it enables law enforcement to respond before it is breached and that is with law enforcement with minutes, not hours away.
     
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    Would you buy a home that had no walls?
     
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    Of course not, and Trump's fans finally agree. Except for one fan who brought up the 2016 election, :clapping:, they have all given up.
     
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    Fine, have it your way. I am not going to waste my time debating the merits of a wall. That is nearly as stupid as closing down the government because Trump can't have his wall.
     
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