"What Was The Holocaust? What Actually Happened?"

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  1. John Sholtes

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    Wrong board.
     
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    When General Eisenhower learned about the camp, he immediately arranged to meet Generals Bradley and Patton at Ohrdruf on the morning of April 12th. By that time, Buchenwald itself had been captured. During the camp inspections with his top commanders Eisenhower said that the atrocities were “beyond the American mind to comprehend.” He ordered that every citizen of the town of Gotha personally tour the camp and, after having done so, the mayor and his wife went home and hanged themselves. Later on Ike wrote to Mamie, “I never dreamed that such cruelty, bestiality, and savagery could really exist in this world.” He cabled General Marshall to suggest that he come to Germany and see these camps for himself. He encouraged Marshall to bring Congressmen and journalists with him. It would be many months before the world would know the full scope of the Holocaust — many months before they knew that the Nazi murder apparatus that was being discovered at Buchenwald and dozens of other death camps had slaughtered millions of innocent people. General Eisenhower understood that many people would be unable to comprehend the full scope of this horror. He also understood that any human deeds that were so utterly evil might eventually be challenged or even denied as being literally unbelievable. For these reasons he ordered that all the civilian news media and military combat camera units be required to visit the camps and record their observations in print, pictures and film. As he explained to General Marshall, “I made the visit deliberately, in order to be in a position to give first-hand evidence of these things if ever, in the future, there develops a tendency to charge these allegations merely to ‘propaganda.’”

    [video]http://www.eisenhowermemorial.org/stories/death-camps.htm#[/video]
     
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    The nazis exterminated millions of eastern Europeans , mostly Slavs and Gypsies .
     
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    mostly Jews!
    the slaves and gypsies died in the world 2 as victims, the jews were murdered simply because hitler didnt like us, over 6 million jews died in 4 years, in the gas sells, in the creamatoriom(burned them alive) or they just shot like 2000 people and buried them in a hole in the ground on top of eachother, im sure that if you ask my grandmother about the holocaust, cause shes a surviver, she could give you much better details about what really happend.
     
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    And the Soviets were doing the same thing even sooner. They even did it to an entire nation one year in Ukraine, and that was before we'd ever even allied with them.

    In fact, it was before the war had even started.. 1933:

    http://www.faminegenocide.com/resources/ukraine_famine.html

    Soviet war crimes are still not war crimes in Great Britain, and apparently not here, either. We're spoon fed this stuff about the Nazis and the Jews, which while true and horrific, ignores that our glorious Soviet allies taught the Germans everything they knew.
     
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    He killed 6 Million Jewish people. Its no secret that the man hated them in many of his speeches he public denounced them.

    I find it staggering that you would make lite of a attempted genocide. Regardless of what his "plan" was he was killing thousands of them a day for no real reason.
     
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    The Nazis were pretty discriminating about whom they chose; Jews, Slavs, gypsies, communists, homosexuals, Poles and anyone else they considered untermenschen.
     
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    20.000.000 Soviet Citizens are not "mostly Jews"
     
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    He simply does not consider non-Jews human beings.
     
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    My personal opinion is that people who spend intense energy to bury the fact of the holocaust are people who would have been shepherding Jews into the cattle cars.
     
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    he was talking about the Holocaust, the subject of THIS thread.
     
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    Soviet Russia was on the side of the Allies and there was no political will to investigate Soviet war crimes as Churchill could not offend "Uncle Joe" but it's estimated that Stalin killed as many innocent civilians as his German counterpart did. This is a problem specific to totalitarianism and those branded enemies of the state for racial or ideological reasons were doomed to be perished in concentration camps. For example, Pol Pot is responsible for the Cambodian genocide of 1975-1979, in which approximately 1.7 million people lost their lives (21% of the country's population) and it's also happening in North Korea on a smaller scale.
     
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    He killed much more...in excess of 20 million Christians.
     
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    Stalin's Jews

    We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish

    Published: 12.21.06, 23:35 / Israel Opinion

    Here's a particularly forlorn historical date: Almost 90 years ago, between the 19th and 20th of December 1917, in the midst of the Bolshevik revolution and civil war, Lenin signed a decree calling for the establishment of The All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage, also known as Cheka.



    Within a short period of time, Cheka became the largest and cruelest state security organization. Its organizational structure was changed every few years, as were its names: From Cheka to GPU, later to NKVD, and later to KGB.



    We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments, executions, and mass death at Gulags.



    Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers, intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members" who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the Communist party itself.



    In his new, highly praised book "The War of the World, "Historian Niall Ferguson writes that no revolution in the history of mankind devoured its children with the same unrestrained appetite as did the Soviet revolution. In his book on the Stalinist purges, Tel Aviv University's Dr. Igal Halfin writes that Stalinist violence was unique in that it was directed internally.



    Lenin, Stalin, and their successors could not have carried out their deeds without wide-scale cooperation of disciplined "terror officials," cruel interrogators, snitches, executioners, guards, judges, perverts, and many bleeding hearts who were members of the progressive Western Left and were deceived by the Soviet regime of horror and even provided it with a kosher certificate.
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
     
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    Eisenhower wrote one of the greatest works on WW2...A Crusade In Europe...NO WHERE does he mention gas chambers.

    Same with Churchills memoirs on the war....same with DeGaulle's. Over 7,000 pages on the war and not one of these 3 made ONE SINGLE MENTION OF GAS CHAMBERS.

    Why?
     
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    If you remove the zyclon (sp?) they were totally look like showers
     
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    Loved your comical Posts .
    You promised to tell us about Jewish killers and then broke your promise .
    Stalin was not Jewish and neither was Lenin . And don't try to twist the possibility of a trace of Jewish blood lying far back in his forbears . The simple fact was that Lenin and his parents were not Jewish -- they were Russian Orthodox Christians .
    As for the Eisenhower Death Camps -- you would be laughed out of the room in decent company . Like you and John , the Allied Commander was an anti semite but the whole idea of the post war camps being concentration camps is as ludicrous and ignorant as those people who are Holocaust Deniers
    Sad people . But deranged .
     
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    Did you know that in the History of the Houses of Parliament , there is not one single mention of Gas Ovens ?
    Amazing .
    Or is it that like the post war holding camps there were none to report ?
    Your Post is as silly as I have ever seen .
     
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    That's not an answer to my question.
     
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    The Holycost is the primary tool used to advance the causes of world Jewry and political Zionism.....as such, it's tenets are rightfully examined.

    That's a lot of lip there buddy....what you don't do is answer the question.....WHY, when the gas chambers are now such a central part of the Holycost tale, did not Eishenhower, Churchill NOR DeGaulle mention one WORD about them in their books...which, btw, are 3 of the greatest works on WW2 in print?



    ...and Lenin was an Atheist, you historical misfit......one of his primary goals was to eliminate Christianity from his country.

    Joseph Stalin may not have be Jewish ethnically, but (*)(*)(*)(*) sure culturally. He was married three times; all three wives were Jewish. Yiddish was the language spoken in his home with his third wife. He supported the founding of Israel and in fact, gave them weapons they used to win their first war. He, along with Lenin, instituted "anti-semitic" hate speech laws, violations of which were punishable by death....Communisim is an entirely Jewish affair.

    JOSEPH STALIN in a reply given on January 12, 1931 to an enquiry made by the Jewish Telegraphic Agency of America (Stars and Sand, page 316)

    "Anti-Semitism is dangerous for the toilers, for it is a false track which diverts them from the proper road and leads them into the jungle. Hence, Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable and bitter enemies of anti-Semitism. In the U.S.S.R., anti-Semitism is strictly prosecuted as a phenomenon hostile to the Soviet system. According to the laws of the U.S.S.R. active anti-Semites are punished with death."


    The Jewish Bolsheviks murdered 20 million Christians. The largest genocide the world has ever seen.
     
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    Brain washed twaddle mixed with ill people writing nonsense .
    Lenin was a practising Russian Orthodox Christian and you can hardly criticise Stalin for his good taste when picking wives . Or do you think Jewish women are stupid , ugly and dirty ?
    Young inexperienced people like yourselves simply make yourselves look ignorant when you dismiss things that millions of people alive today can testify about -- they were there , or like my Uncle , walked into Belsen with the American troops and could not speak about the things he saw for the next thirty years .
    Ignorance .
    You are lucky not to live in the UK . You would be hunted down and successfully prosecuted .
     
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    The Soviets under Stalin exterminated more people than the Nazis. They even continued to use the Nazi concentration camps that they'd "liberated" during the invasion. They just didn't target Jews so much as other groups.
     

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