What will happen if Trump Regime kills the ACA?

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  1. pol meister

    pol meister Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps the words "more affordable" eluded you. The ACA increased costs well beyond the normal rate of inflation. So your deflection fails, as does your insult.
     
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    The costs escalated because the GOP would not support it.

    Not to worry: single payer will bring cost control and better access and better care to the body politic.
     
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    pol meister Well-Known Member

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    Yes I know, and the fairy godmother will also make us all rich, famous, and handsome.
     
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    Those are GOP fairy tales. The American citizen now knows better than to trust the GOP.
     
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    Single payer is like one huge trough of food, where an ever increasing herd of hogs keep coming for an ever diminishing supply of feed. When the food shortages eventually occur, the herd tramples the worthless trough under its feet, and then turns to attack the trough supplier. The herd then realizes that the only ones they can depend upon for their food is themselves.
     
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    Perhaps you lack familiarity with the English language. Healthcare costs have always increased beyond the normal rate of inflation. And the ACA actually reduced the rate of increase.

    And you certainly can not demonstrate that without the ACA the rate of increase would have been less.
     
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    For people who are healthy and have no PEC .
     
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    So I gather you never use the post office. What private alternative is cheaper to send mail ? Tell us all.
     
  9. pol meister

    pol meister Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps you lack familiarity with reality. Yes, health care costs have typically increased beyond the normal rate of inflation; ever since 1965. Hmm, I wonder what happened that year?

    https://mises.org/wire/how-government-regulations-made-healthcare-so-expensive

    In addition, the ACA has done nothing to reverse that trend. Its year-over-year growth ballooning to a whopping 6.5% in 2017 QTR 1 vs. a CPI rate of only 2.5% for the same year.

    https://www.healthsystemtracker.org...g-growth-slowed-a-bit-in-recent-quarters_2018
     
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    Of course. Profit making private insurance must do everything they can to gain profits while they must also insure people with preexisting conditons and keep people on their roles who demand service that they used to drop. It’s not rocket science. When you make demands like this on the private sector and eliminate the mandate that healthy people must also be enrolled, like was done last year, the costs will start rising sharply.

    What are the solutions. Go back and let private insurance companies give physicals before they insure and decide whom they will insure, then drop people when they get too expensive ?

    Really, that’s the only alternative to universal not for profit healthcare. We can’t afford to both insure everyone and pay profits to the insurance.
     
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    Thank you for proving my point. So you agree that going back to the past healthcare system will solve absolutly nothing.
     
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    Typical of the gop private healthcare supporters, big on complaints, short on solutions.
     
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    Sorry but that is just a crap bit of stupidity. I don't ever support private healthcare insurance. There is a better plan in almost every developed country and probably in America the easiest and simplest for fools to undersand is Medicare for all.
     
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    The point proven is that the more government gets involved in healthcare, the more expensive health care becomes. So logic would dictate that the more we get government out of healthcare, the more affordable healthcare becomes.

    Perhaps logic isn't one of your strong points.
     
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    Sorry I wasn’t more explicit. I was supporting your response.
     
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    If we took both private insurance and the government out of healthcare, what would happen to the cost of healthcare?
     
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    People would die needlessly. People died needlessly before the Govt. got involved with utilities shutting down service after one missed payment. To think you can give private insurance the freedom to only insure health people to maximize their profits, kind of defeats the whole idea of having insurance or any Govt. at all.
    Might as well move to Uganda.
     
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    Ha ha
    How can you ? Pay out of pocket for everything ?
     
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    My question was "what would happen to the cost of healthcare?" Not "how can we". Are you afraid to answer it?
     
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    Apologize for my lack of inderstanding.
     
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    Expalin how your question makes any sense when you say both the private sector and the govt. can get out of healthcare ? Are we insuring and operating on ourselves ?
    Just pray to god when you get sick ?
     
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    When the government initiated Medicare/Medicaid in 1965, that's when they "got into healthcare". A similar story with private health insurance.

    Here again is the chart on how the gov't programs impacted the cost of healthcare.

    https://mises.org/wire/how-government-regulations-made-healthcare-so-expensive

    The U.S. “health care cost crisis” didn’t start until 1965. The government increased demand with the passage of Medicare and Medicaid while restricting the supply of doctors and hospitals. Health care prices responded at twice the rate of inflation (Figure 1).

    Fundamentally, the cheapest healthcare the healthcare consumer will ever get is the healthcare they pay for by themselves. Which is why procedures like laser eye surgery and cosmetic surgeries are about the only types of healthcare that ever come down in price, primarily because they aren't covered by insurance or Medicare/Medicaid; so they have to cater to the consumer instead of the consumer having to cater to them.
     
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    Yup. A third world country with a dictator thug and his family in charge.
     
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    Lower level premiums , reasonable deductibles, AND preexisting conditions......they all don’t coincide with “for profit” healthcare. It’s a delusion to think a company after profits isn’t going to continue fking their clientele.
     
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