What will it take to end vaping epidemic?

With all the people dying and hospitalized by this product and its ill effects, what should be done?

 

What "product" are you talking about?

The only product linked to vaping hospitalizations, deaths, and "ill effects" are counterfeit THC cartridges. Are you referring to that product specifically, or all vaping products in general?

 

Even the CDC is a bit confused on this, but Vit E acetate seems to be a culprit....do you care to vote?

 

Vit E acetate in counterfeit THC cartridges.

 

I don't like "federal bans", but I voted for it as a solution to vaping health (and death) issues.

"Bans", "prohibitions", and other forms of government control go against every core belief I have, but people are so STOOPID, reckless, and cause so much trouble and expense -- for themselves and for everyone else -- that maybe a total, all-out BAN on this crap should be strongly considered. After all, now that the 'woke' crowd of SJW's want free healthcare and medicine for everybody, including illegal aliens, it now becomes a PUBLIC issue, with taxpayer money involved -- not just a 'private, personal right' anymore....

Applying the same logic, we really ought to outlaw tobacco, too. How can people KNOW what they KNOW today about tobacco and smoking anything and still continue to do it?! As we used to say long ago -- "STOO-F*CKING-PIDITY"!

Oh, and, again, applying the same logic, we ought to totally BAN tattoo parlors, too! Why? Because now, on top of everything else we know about tattoos and hepatitis, it has come out that the tattoo ink accumulates in the body's lymph system and causes LYMPHOMA CANCER! But, look around at how many people have 'tats' today....

 

Vaping isn't the problem, counterfeit THC cartridges are the problem, and yet you want all vaping banned.

Seems like ignorant tyranny to me.

If China was selling tainted baby formula, would you be calling for a ban on all baby formula?

 

first of all it takes knowing the facts, vitamin e in oil based vaping, not nicotine vaping caused this, totaly different things, one is oil based (thc\cbd e-cigs), the other is not

so find out why, was it food poisoning, as in a bad batch of vitamin e, or is just breathing vitamin e is bad

 

You are convinced that the problem is confined exclusively to "counterfeit THC cartridges"...? Got any proof of that?

The only people affected are people who are trying to score a discounted buzz on tetrahydrocannabinol...? Seems like the vaping population encompasses a LOT more people than that, but please, tell us what you know....

Oh, and if the risk of vaping is OK with people who choose to do it, would you support excluding 'vapers' from public-funded healthcare bennies...?

 

you mean like the longest person to have ever lived smoked just shy of a hundred years of her life

excessive smoking harms you in the same way excessive sun harms you - both have benefits and risks - you decide, not the government

 

people have gotten bad batches of lettuce, should we ban people from healthcare for eating lettuce?

"Why Are There So Many Outbreaks Linked to Romaine Lettuce?"

https://foodpoisoningbulletin.com/2019/why-are-there-so-many-outbreaks-linked-to-romaine-lettuce/

"Romaine lettuce, along with other leafy greens, is difficult to clean simply because of the nature of these products. Bacteria love to hide in crevices, and can, in fact, produce biofilms that protect them from water, soaps, and disinfectants. And if there are any tiny rips or tears in the leaves, bacteria will take advantage of that and get inside the leaf, where they can’t be removed with any method."

"E. Coli Deaths Linked to Romaine Lettuce, Officials Say"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/05/health/e-coli-romaine-lettuce.html

 

It's not my job to prove a negative. If you want a blanket ban on a product, the onus is on you to prove it's harmful.

 

Truly, I wouldn't care at all except that more and more often, in ways that encroach more and more on PUBLIC FUNDING, we have people screwing themselves up -- deliberately -- and then expecting the GOVERNMENT to pay for their treatment!

"Oh, it's a pre-existing condition!", they moan, while they run up huge medical bills because they wanted to exercise their RIGHT to have their 'fun'.

If all these fun-seekers could be excluded from getting on public health services welfare handouts, then it would be fine with me if they smoke/vape themselves to death, get covered with 'panels' of tattoos, shoot drugs, and die in poverty. Free of any entanglement with MY tax dollars, they could be free to do whatever the hell they like!

 

And here you go again. You're doing exactly what you did in this thread...

You have no idea what you're talking about, but you certainly won't let that stop you from chiming in.

 

I think excessive taxing of cigarettes hurt the poor more than the rich, you want to help people, go after the government for forcing cigarettes makers to add carpet glue to cigarettes, that is really harming them

excessive taxes on the poor hurts society in general, when your poor, a nice cigarette and maybe a beer at night after a hard days work may just help you get through life - stress kills, stressing the poor needlessly raises healthcare costs

a cook is breathing in more chemicals than any smoker, how often you drive by a place and smell the food smells across the street, their clothes are covered with oil fumes (mostly heavily processed seed oils), can that be good for people?

Excessive sugar and heavily processed seed oils are causing much of the illness in this country

 

Idiots gonna idiot. If a person doesn't have anything better to do than vape, let them vape. Nothing to be done here. Let it run its course.

 

What "product" are you speaking of?

 

Why are you conflating "smoke/vape" when they're two completely different things?

Do you even understand that there is a difference?

 

I support common sense regulation to ban the worst of the vaping products and continued research to understand their ill effects. But people have the right to do whatever they want to their bodies.

 

Until causation between the legal product and the "problem" is established, one has failed to reject the null hypothesis.

 

The illegal THC product is already illlegal

 

From all I've read and researched, it comes down to oils - versus liquids - in the cartridges. So banning them? Yes. But unless you are going to ban tobacco (which we know won't be done due to lobby), the e-liquids should not be banned. But for those concerned about kids, just raise the price astronomically. Similar to what has been done to cigarettes in some places. Make it an extremely expensive habit that kids can't afford.

 

Let's raise the voting age to 21 too, since 18-20 year olds are too stupid to make decisions

 

as long as we raise the age to join the military to 21 too, fine with that

we have to be consistent on what we consider an adult across the board

 

Don't interfere with vaping. Keep freedom of vaping, let Darwin do his work.

 

Let's wipe their asses until they're 21