What would it take for you to switch?

Discussion in 'Elections & Campaigns' started by Robert E Allen, Jul 25, 2019.

  1. BuckyBadger

    BuckyBadger Well-Known Member

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    It makes perfect sense. You are just not reading it correctly.
     
  2. xwsmithx

    xwsmithx Well-Known Member

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    False. The president signed several executive orders "exempting" multiple classes of illegal aliens from deportation and the only way he kept his deportation numbers up was by redefining turning illegals back at the border as "deporting" them. No other president had counted those, and as far as I know, Trump doesn't, either.

    "But the portrait of a steadily increasing number of deportations rests on statistics that conceal almost as much as they disclose. A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data.

    Expulsions of people who are settled and working in the United States have fallen steadily since his first year in office, and are down more than 40% since 2009.

    On the other side of the ledger, the number of people deported at or near the border has gone up — primarily as a result of changing who gets counted in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency’s deportation statistics."

    https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html

    https://www.dailysignal.com/2014/03...ef-white-house-inflating-deportation-numbers/

    https://barkgrowlbite.blogspot.com/2015/07/obama-counts-border-turnbacks-as.html

    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/...stration-inflates-deportation-statistics.html
     
  3. JakeStarkey

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    I could never vote Democrat. When I was young and trying to decide where I stood politically, I actually read the platforms. The Democratic one said something like there are some groups of people (back then they were talking about blacks) that will never be able to make it on their own and will always need help, and therefore government must always give handouts. It was the most demeaning thing I had ever heard and not what I believed. I suspect their platform is even worse today.
     
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    Old Man Fred Well-Known Member

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    They're counted in the Census, and towards Federal representation. They aren't counted as in being allowed to vote.
     
  6. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you simply trust them not to vote? Not all states ID voters.
     
  7. yardmeat

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    Cohn was not just some random employee, and yes, he was a mastermind behind the Trump Organization. He had a lot more experience in the family business than Donald did and was his mentor for chrissakes. Yes, he played a big role in Trump's real estate deals. After the death of his mentor is when, from what I recall, that Trump started delving into his more disastrous business ideas like Trump Steak, Trump Vodka, Trump Magazine, Trump Airlines, Trump Water, etc. You'll notice that the only "strategy" behind most of these ventures was to slap the name "Trump" on something that already exists, call it "the best," and call it a day. Not a great strategy. It worked well for media licensing and brand licensing for real estate, but his "Put Trump on it and call it the best" philosophy doesn't really spell success for anything beyond that. Besides, even Trump's real estate business was floundering until The Apprentice saved his ass.

    As for your "offhand remark" excuse, that doesn't fly. I don't hold offhand remarks against people unless they, like Trump, try lying about it later, claiming they never made the remark or pathetically trying to claim it was on purpose. No, this wasn't one offhand remark. Trump has repeatedly referred to the trade deficit as net lost wealth. Repeatedly. There is no excuse for a President, who has a wealth of advisors at his side, to repeatedly make this mistake, especially when he has a degree in economics. This isn't just econ 101. The whole "trade creates wealth" thing was what started economics as an academic discipline and it was core to the formation of capitalist thought. It is literally what Wealth of Nations was all about. Trump is trying to take us back to pre-1776 mercantilism because he doesn't know how trade works. Hell, he's still lying to people (or is being an idiot) and telling them that the Chinese are paying all of our tariffs. That's not how tariffs work.

    Okay, now on to your false claim that I'm only focused on what he said and not on his actions. I've repeatedly condemned his actions. The fact that you focus on the words and not on my criticism of his actions is about you, not me.

    Intellectual property and China? That would be a great excuse if that was the only focus of the tariffs. It isn't. So, yeah, that's a terrible excuse. He is trying to "fix" trade deals while repeatedly demonstrating that he doesn't even know how trade works. Yes, that warrants some criticism.

    As for securing our borders, it isn't like he's in the business of making serious proposals there. He just keeps harping about a wall that probably won't work, definitely won't be cost effective, and is really about nothing more than a vanity project . . . like most of his post-Cohn businesses.
     
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  8. BuckyBadger

    BuckyBadger Well-Known Member

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    Are you kidding me? Trump has been a huge player in New York City since the 80's and built his empire long before Cohn even came on the scene. The Trump brand was extremely popular and made millions a year (billions over the course his lifetime) long before Cohn even met Trump and went to work for him.

    Whatever possessed you to think Cohn was some sort of "mastermind" inside the Trump organization? He was merely a guy tasked to look into and clean up legal messes. Extremely common in companies. Even the DoD has officers tasked with this.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Cohn was working with Trump's father before Donald ever started taking over the business. He. Was. Trump's. Mentor.

    He. Was. Trump's. Mentor. Yeah, why would I ever assume that the legal lead in a real estate venture and mentor of the boss was a mastermind? Gee wiz.

    Are you sure you aren't thinking about Michael Cohen?
     
  10. xwsmithx

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    Right, because facts don't matter, only opinions. I quoted you four independent news agencies and you quote me the Clinton News Network. And none of that matters to the original statement that Obama's executive orders ran contrary to federal law and he should have been impeached on that basis. So **** off.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It would take the Dems or Repubs having a really good Candidate to get me exited enough to vote for them. As it stands right now I will vote for whoever is capable of defeating Uncle Donny.....party wont matter.
     
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    You couldn't get me to switch to the Democrat party. I have contemplated becoming an independent, but in a closed primary state, that's a silly thing to do.
     
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