What would you do...

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  1. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ....if something in society resulted in 33,636 deaths per year?
     
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    Are you talking about the breakdown of the family, the absence of fathers in the lives of their children, the destructive gang culture in our urban centers...or are you talking about auto accident deaths? It would help to know.
     
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    Plenty of "things" in society result in at least that many deaths and many more besides; generally for a myriad of reasons. Since this is obviously a reference to firearms, it is a dishonest question at its core.

    About a third of that number are homicides. There are a number of ways to address that issue; including through the populace taking responsibility for their own security. We're a free society, right? Therefore, freedom requires taking responsibility for yourself.

    The majority of the deaths are suicides. These are personal choices by the individual, and gun control affects that not at all. It's a mental health issue, not a gun issue.
     
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    It is not firearms that result in the aforementioned number of deaths in the untied states per year. Rather it is the personal, individual decision, of tens of thousands of individuals, who have concluded that they are going to do what they want, that they are going to kill someone for reasons that they regard as being perfectly valid, and that absolutely nothing is going to stop them from doing such.

    Ultimately the question becomes a matter of how to address individual decision. Exactly what course of action is appropriate to take when one has concluded that there is nothing wrong with murdering another, and that they simply do not care with abiding by the rules of society? What is the answer when an individual has decided that killing someone is a perfectly acceptable course of action to engage in?
     
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    two thirds are suicides. being a libertarian, I believe a person has the absolute right to decide to end his or her life. and I prefer they do it in a way that is least likely to harm others. secondly 80% of the remaining deaths by gun shot involve felons killing felons, I would hope we get to the point that all other gun shot deaths involve felons being whacked by other felons or honest citizens.

    when you start a thread like this, its poor form to run away
     
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    Then we should start by banning, alcohol again, smoking, and cars. They all kill more than "guns".

    How many of those shot were criminals deserving to be shot or suicides that would have happened anyway? How many lives were saved by guns where the trigger was never pulled? We'll never know and gun banners don't want to know.
     
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    Ban cars, opioids, twinkies, alcohol and cigarettes before I even looked at guns.

    Well, thats what I would do if I was an authoritarian nanny-statist interested in preserving life 'at any cost', anyway.
     
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    Cars ??
     
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    Mosquitoes ??
     
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    Crocodiles in India ??
     
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    The flu from China ??
     
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    She is a troll -- no avatar.

    That's always the first clue.
     
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    Well let us look at how many people die each year from Tobacco related illnesses, Tobacco has no redeeming qualities at all, even second hand Tobacco smoke is harmful, and chewing Tobacco is a sure way to get cancer of the E.N.T. and entire G.I. tract as well as all related cancers.

    Why is Tobacco not banned ?
    It is not Constitutionally protected as are firearms, Tobacco aka Nicotine is a drug and not a useful drug in medical practice, it is a known carcinogen and a toxin with many toxic reactions in the Human body.

    Tobacco is heavily taxed by the U.S. Government and represents a source of Billions of dollars in tax revenues each year.

    The Tobacco lobby, consists of Tobacco Industry products and merchandise and related industries represents a fortune larger that the gross national product of some Nations.
    The Tobacco lobby has no members of the smoking public, only Tobacco industry leaders.

    So, 30,000 deaths by firearms ?

    • Secondhand (tobacco) smoke causes 33,951 annual deaths from heart disease.1
    • CDC statistic on smoking related deaths

    Cigarette smoking causes about one of every five deaths in the United States each year. Cigarette smoking is estimated to cause the following: More than 480,000 deaths annually (including deaths from secondhand smoke) 278,544 deaths annually among men (including deaths from secondhand smoke)

    Link:
    CDC - Fact Sheet - Tobacco-Related Mortality - Smoking & Tobacco Use


    www.cdc.gov › fact_sheets › health_effects

    So there you go, more than 30,000 deaths by Tobacco, and nothing is being done about it, and nothing is planned either, tell that to Gun Control advocates and Gun banners, when they do something about Tobacco deaths, we will discuss so called "Gun deaths" lol, Chicago Crime deaths are a major part of that figure, and suicides.....
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    She?

    I recently signed up and I can't add an avatar from a smartphone.

    Added : Ah, doesn't work on Firefox but worked on Chrome.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, smoking has been more and more legislated against over the years. About time guns were controlled.
     
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    Guns are controlled, prohibited people, Felons and Mental defectives, those committed for mental illness or defect, those habitually using drugs. Domestic Violence, and some misdemeanor crimes or a long criminal past cannot own firearms, or purchase them or legally carry them or get a concealed carry permit or license, they cannot buy guns in a gun store, and no matter how they get a firearm, if they get pulled over in a routine traffic stop, they are going to jail.

    So,
    What more gun control is needed ?
     
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    Are you kidding ?

    Those are recent figures on smoking deaths and death from smoking related causes, there is no push to reduce deaths from Tobacco, only declaring some smoke free zones and that does not equal legislation at all.
     
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    Cigarette smoking causes about one of every five deaths in the United States each year. Cigarette smoking is estimated to cause the following: More than 480,000 deaths annually (including deaths from secondhand smoke)278,544 deaths annually among men(including deaths from secondhand smoke)

    Link:
    CDC - Fact Sheet - Tobacco-Related Mortality - Smoking & Tobacco Use


    www.cdc.gov › fact_sheets › health_effects


    See ?
    You don't care about deaths, because Tobacco kills almost half a Million people every year !

    Not 30,000, and those deaths are Criminal murders and suicides.
    Prosecute Criminals and gun deaths except suicides will plummet to near zero.
     
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    Guns are ingrained in current and past generations. A law should be brought out say, as from 2020, that anyone born after 2002 can no longer by a gun and it's a criminal offence for anyone else to allow those born after 2002 to hold and/or shoot a gun.

    Then as generations die out, America will be weened off guns.

    Just because something else causes death, it doesn't exempt guns. Legislation is brought out in all areas on knives, cigarettes, cars etc.. In the UK, smoking in a vehicle with anyone under 18 is illegal. One day, smoking will eventually be banned.
     
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    Under 21's have no need for guns. So when they turn 21, if they're banned for owning a gun, they won't miss something they've never had. Them when the gun tooting generations have died out and been replaced by gun free generations, America will be a safer place.

    You need gun programmes to hand guns in and guns confiscated and destroyed when those too young are caught with them. The sooner you start the ball rolling.
     
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    Yes, first, are you ten years old ?
    Because given your syntax errors....

    First, here in the U.S. the Second Amendment, guarantees the Right to keep and bear Arms.
    We have a long tradition of hunting, target shooting and shooting competitions.
    Every State issues concealed carry permits for Defense.

    You do not want gun control, you want gun bans, and that will never happen.

    You do not care about deaths since Tobacco kills almost half a Million people every year.

    You have had an Epic fail, and have provided much Lulz for all, and are hereby awarded
    The Christian Weston Chandler award for personal excellence.
     
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    Too bad you did so poorly in school, did you dislike study ?
     
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    A similar approach of a more limited scope was attempted by the district of columbia more than thirty years ago when it came to firearms. The united state supreme court ruled it to be unconstitutional under any standard of scrutiny. Therefore there is no point in discussing the merits of such a matter any further.

    Just as reckless use of a firearm is illegal in the united states, but it still occurs.

    How well did such work with alcoholic beverages?
     
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