What's best for Earth?

Discussion in 'Environment & Conservation' started by bricklayer, Oct 12, 2019.

  1. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Is it 95% humidity most of the time where you live? Yes, in an arid environment, higher temperatures are livable. They are livable here, just miserable. Anyway, your suggestion to ban air conditioning will produce human misery.
     
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    It's called headlights on a tractor.
     
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    crank Well-Known Member

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    I'll take the word of the majority of science on this one, but thanks all the same.
     
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    crank Well-Known Member

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    In what conditions? The heat?
     
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    crank Well-Known Member

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    It's often above 80%. But even still, I'm sure you know that there are many millions of people live in extremely hot and humid places around the equatorial regions. Very few have airconditioning.

    We really need to acknowledge that Americans are thoroughly spoiled when it comes to this stuff. Way beyond similarly wealthy First Worlders in other nations. The rest of us don't have access to anywhere near the vast houses, cheap food, cheap fuel, and around the clock climate control that Americans take for granted. IOW, it's not the weather which is the problem in Florida, it's the residents refusing to adapt to it.
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Where are you getting "no regulations on pollution"?
     
  7. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I just gave you what the word of the majority of scientists is.
     
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    We do them to varying degrees, none very extreme yet.
    [qutoe]As I said in an earlier post, it's a balance. We have to balance between the needs of humans and the health of the environment. There is no easy answer. That said, I can't imagine living in the hellhole that a environment "optimized" for humans would be like.[/QUOTE]
    That's a self-contradiction. You're not thinking about an environment optimized for humans. You're thinking about an environment optimized for the parasitism of the privileged.
     
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    I see no evidence there that the earth is becoming less inhabitable, nor do I see any evidence for the existence of hell.
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It’s actually becoming more inhabitable. And greener.
     
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    the loss of cold zones to 'greenery' is not actually a good thing. we absolutely need our polar and sub-polar regions to stay cold.
     
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    I don't read links, sorry. I'm going with the 80% who agree that global warming is a result of man's activities.
     
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    Global warming results in fewer deaths due to cold. Mortality rates due to cold are 10X that due to heat.

    And the polar regions will continue to be cold.
     
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    That’s telling. BTW do you know what the IPCC believes ??? That’s where the “information” I posted comes from.

    So you don’t really understand much about global warming but just believe what you read in the newspapers ???
     
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    That scenario is on the way to reversing. Going forward, heat is going to kill far more of us.
     
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    Not with air conditioning.
     
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    Airconditioning is part of the problem. Have you any idea how much heat they produce? Or what goes into manufacturing them? Or how much power they use?
     
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    So your plan is to eliminate air conditioning to save lives ???
     
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    We actually need them not to get colder a lot more than we need them to stay cold. Ice Age bad, interglacial good.
     
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    That is extremely unlikely. Human beings evolved in the tropics. We can't even survive winter outside the tropics without clothing and shelter technology.
     
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    That’s right. Global warming saves lives.
     
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    Yes, good point. But doesn't change the fact that we can't afford to lose any more cold.
     
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    The point is we CAN survive with the right clothing and shelter. We cannot survive heat, no matter what.
     
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    Of course. It's a huge part of the problem.

    It should be restricted to schools/hospitals/labour-intensive workplaces, etc.
     
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    Your plan will result in more deaths. At risk persons who die in abnormally high urban heat wave conditions succumb because they did not have air conditioning.
     

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