What's going on with Brexit?

I am not a Johnathan Freedland fan but this article is good. I am wondering if he is talking about some of the reasons a poster here has moved from being a remainer to a hard brexiter damning Germany.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/29/brexit-betrayal-myth-hardcore-brexiters

I was noticing the 'brexiters' being stirred up again yesterday, unknowingly bowing to their political elite, buying all the drama they are fed and potentially taking the United Kingdom to ruin - never mind anything else a hard Brexit will be the end/ruin of the Union. It could be called an English Independence vote, though they are dragging Wales who in truth also voted Brexit with them.

 

There are many reasons for that, not least the Lisbon Treaty 2020 conspiracy theory doing the rounds among the Brexit community at the moment.
A Brexit supporting member cited it on here, I believe?

Needless to say it's a pack of lies.

 

Ah! Didn't know about that. Here is a link to another angry voice speaking about it

https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.com/2019/02/the-brexity-lies-that-have-gone-mega.html

 

The EU exploit countries, and Americans stand up to bullies like the EU.
Not taking the EU's crap or the USSR's crap or any unholy bloc's crap, isn't called bullying, it's called not putting up with crap.

It's more likely that the UK crashes out of the EU than staying in the EU, as things stand, the UK'll crash out in 14 days time.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-pm-urged-to-embrace-no-deal-after-third-commons-defeat-11678829
The PM has been given a letter urged to back No Deal.

 

Probably just more propaganda to blackmail members of parliament to vote for her deal.

 

Better than the PM's deal.

I think no deal with the EU is the only way forward.

The EU was a customs union that mutated, and it's time to leave and have a UK US bilateral deal.

We're close friends with America too, we're a better match for a bilateral deal with America than we are with a lot of the economies in the EU.
These poor economies have no choice but to serve Germany, the UK doesn't have to.

 

What has caused this massive change in your views? Did you knowing nothing about the EU when you voted remain or have you found someone who has changed your mind? ime a change such as you have had is an extremely rare thing and usually caused by something like the two possibilities I have put. ….or is it possibly that you support the Tory right and did not know they supported a destructive for the masses Brexit,.

 

We need to think outside the box. The EU isn't the world.

We need to view the EU as a cage, and question the EU.

Have a voice that doesn't have to agree with the EU.

The EU isn't fair trade it's free trade.

 

No I do not accept that as your reason for this about change in view ...and wanting a No Deal Brexit although I will grant you it was not spoken about during the Referendum and so was not something which the people voted on, has been churned out for the past 3 years and is most certainly not thinking out of the box but jumping into a box you for some reason at the moment want to belong to, Possibly it would be better if you gave things a bit of study so you knew what you were voting for. People who do not are very vulnerable to those with charisma who attract them.

 

I'm all for a US UK trade deal.
Exploitation means what, we have to have some election to elect some presidents my MEPs get to vote for and I don't.
Exploitation protecting me against one of my oldest and firmest allies who historically taught the Brits a thing or two and are the reason this part of the world even have peace, no thank you. I'd rather be friendly with Washington and Wall St. than Brussels.

Trade should be between countries who like each other, not with countries who don't in a hope they'll get a long.

 

I voted remain and converted to leave.
I voted in London and where I voted, voted remain.
Leave won and people spoke about taking the finance sector out of London to Frankfurt.
Also... I don't like not being able to buy more American products, and have the EU to thank for that.
They don't wash their eggs, I can buy an egg with poop on it, and... we don't sell our eggs in the fridge, our bread! Is open and exposed (and bleached as Hell in baking it at the factory) I just don't buy it. Ew. You walk through some Tesco or Sainsbury's or whoever supermarket's bakery and see how much bread is just there open for people to breathe on all day.

I'ma 'if I buy a bread machine right that makes my own bread' kinda guy with what I see over here.

 

Ok, if you say so.

Good luck with that.

 

Now, what's that got to do with Brexit? Looks like you had a liquid meal!

 

Thank you.

 

No no no.
Got John Bolton waiting for UK to have a crash out Brexit so the UK hit a UK US trade deal.

 

He's sure ready and waiting! He's got the ketchup bottle in his hand.
Quite refreshing to see someone as naive as you! Good luck though!

 

America are producers and want to sell, we want to eat.
EU want to rule and has backward mindsets; right now I'm watching some French journalist in Paris talking about how women in that country who do their Metoo, they have one, that means 'exposeyourpig' are getting attacked for speaking up against rape. Somebody even suggesting women might even get pleasure from rape?! France it seems, don't get #metoo.

 

And the next "No Orgy" in the House of Commons yesterday ... who would have expected something different from the "United Banana Kingdom"?

But now it can become really evil for all of Brexit and its followers and end, because more and more politicians in the EU have lost patience with the British now totally and are no longer willing to accept this irrational madness .... because that the Brits do kamikaze on their own, that's one thing and their problem, but like a kamikaze, others are hit with it and it's not accepted anymore ... just because the British are only too stupid to say what they want with a majority.

It runs on a request for a furter extension ... so not 12.04.2019, but "sometime later" ... because you Brexit Britons can not agree on your own.
Only ... the EU must say yes and here it looks more and more after that there is an EU demand for a new referendum in the UK, or on 12.04.2019 is no deal end

The fear of a no-deal in the EU is now gone and so you can not even scare little children.
A No Deal ... which some here strongly advocate and thus shrug happily on the upside ... but has no majority in the House of Commons ... like everything has no majority.

And yes ... of course, then again scolded on this outrageous and evil EU, what she imagines the poor British to force a second referendum or no deal. Sorry ... who wanted a Brexit and is too stupid to do the UK or EU?
Does the EU have to regulate the Brexit for the British because of the British incompetence?

 

The British celebrated April fools day in a magnificent manner! Again, no agreement about anything!

And Mrs May, who could not possibly ask the British people if they want to change their mind about Brexit, does not hesitate to present her deal for the fourth time!

 

There are doubts that the Speaker will let her do that. So Macron seems to be wanting either a realistic idea with a majority which looks like it could succeed or a forced No Deal. There is apparently some concern about having to have certain UK European Parliament Members, Farage comes to mind, mixing things up in the Parliament when they need instead to bring people together and are probably going to have a fair number of far right. I read somewhere this morning that it would put Germany into recession for a while given the extent of trading between us.

At this point it seems to be very clear that the people in the British Parliament would not allow No Deal. I suspect that that is only likely to happen if the EU do not think the UK has brought forth a credible idea - and given that May's last one was apparently completely nebulous meaning that a No Dealer becoming PM after her could choose No Deal that could be interesting. Ah well, presumably in 9 days or so it will be decided. - I didn 't say over because hell may well be beginning then!!

The two ideas which look most promising are a Customs Union one and a Norway Plus type one.

 

May has just been speaking. She is going to ask for a further short extension to be over before EU elections. She says it must be her deal as that is all the EU will accept and so is apparently going to meet Labour Leaders and then come up with some compromise. There will be a whole lot more things for Parliament to vote on. She says contrary to what she used to that No Deal is not acceptable.

Edit. Interesting how you can mishear things. They are replaying her speech and she actually says that she always said we could manage no deal but a deal is better - still the opposite of the 'No deal is better than a bad deal' mantra we had for a long time.

 

She's holding the country to ransom saying it's her deal or no Brexit?

 

I find it difficult to guess but the BBC says she is moving over towards a softer Brexit. It sounds like she is very open to other things now as long as she can get a deal which is acceptable. As the BBC was also saying it only leaves her a couple of days to present something to the EU which they will find acceptable, which they will believe has the majority of people behind it. Given that she is at last reaching out to others, assuming she is, then that would appear hopeful. They are talking about her being open to bring in other things and letting parliament say what it wants so her deal sounds nebulous.

 

as Hilary Benn is just saying, it is more like after almost 3 years when she has been refusing to listen to any other views, she is intending on putting the blame on Labour if she cannot get a deal. That does make sense.