What's Up With Australia

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    I am opposed to tourism, you got that part right!
     
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    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You can probably do without that est. $45 Billion dollars. We have states in the U.S. where tourism is far more than 3% of their state's economy (example: Florida and Nevada have most of their revenues based on tourists).


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    crank Well-Known Member

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    I would love to find a way to live without it, forever! Tourism is an abomination.

    Hope America is able to extract itself from that particular dependence, also.
     
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    I assume you meant non-residents. People with the right residency status have access to the Medicare system. That means we actually offer 'free' medical care to a wider range of people than America does. We are able to afford high quality care because we have more effective policies that America, limiting the ability of profit driven entities to drive up the price of services in order to line their own pockets. That is how pretty much every other industrialized nation manages to provide affordable, quality healthcare for its population. The specifics vary, but the principle is constant - if you let the private sector dictate pricing health care will cost more.

    Where America is dramatically ahead of Australia is making excuses for its failings. Illegal immigrants are usually the first to be blamed, followed by other foreigners, black people, Europe, China, geography & anyone else who can be blamed. This tends to come more from conservatives (who blame Democrats for anything not otherwise covered), though it is not exclusive to them. It is always somebody else's fault. Always.
     
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    It seems from your tone that Australia has chosen to side with the Chinese. My sincerest wishes
     
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    bigfella Well-Known Member

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    It seems from your reply that you were reading a different post on a different topic.

    The only person in this exchange who supports anything like the Chinese system is you with your explicit advocacy of Fascism as the ideal system to govern America. No doubt the comrades would approve - bird of a feather. Australia supports democracy, so I can understand how you might find us confusing.
     
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    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean we fail because we don't turn foreigners away at the border, but give them medical care, which they very often cannot pay for? It's kind of difficult to lock down an entire country unless you are an island.

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    You do realize that almost 30% of your economy is based on buying and selling to the the people you are suggesting the US 'ignore'. So then, are you personally going to give up 30c in the dollar of your income to prove your point, or is that someone else's job?
     
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    That's why I said "for a while ". Being self sufficient takes away the urgency to react instantly to the demands of others. As an example, we don't have to worry about OPEC shutting down our economy by limiting our oil supply and raising our energy prices because we now produce enough of our own to ride out the bumps in the market.
     
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    Yep but 'they' can potentially do the same back - stop buying stiff you sell . And yes OPEC is much more of a toothless tiger now than it was in the past but their are still some strategic imports the US gets (from friendlies) like rare earths. The US has its own reserves of most of them but building up extraction from zero to meet demand would take years. Hence the magic term 'stockpile'.
     
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    I'll applaud you for calling me a Fascist, since I'll assume you're paying attention and not referring to the strawman version that history teaches. However your accuracy also comes into question since China is openly Communist. As an example I would never endorse or need a reason for China's famine and population policies which got their start from Stalinist Russia
     
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    I'm not talking about being an isolationist. I'm talking about not having to respond instantly out of desperation to every market demand.

    One thing we discovered that we have been lacking in is production of our own medicine. China has been holding that over our head lately. Time to adjust.
     
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    Same here there is a big push to reinvigorate our manufacturing sector over here once Corona has been dealt with - both sides of politics, industry, unions, the general public - everyone is on board. The devil of course will be in the details.
     
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    Whatevs, we don't provide healthcare to foreign nationals. Nor should we.

    To maintain our excellent public health, we must guard it jealously.
     
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    Very well said!

    That is the point of it, after all. To remove the enslavement factor.
     
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    'Excellent' public health care'. Have you read any assessments of the US health care vs other advanced western nations? On just about every metric except cost (where it wins hands down) it comes in with poorer ratings.

    If there was an NFL competition for 1st world health systems the US would probably be the Cincinnati Bengals.
     
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    Also just by way of clarification. People with Permanent Resident status in Australia are entitled to health care access because they have met certain preliminary requirements including clean criminal records, having essential trades, skills or qualifications and most importantly being registered for tax purposes. So they are already tax payers. Most of them are just waiting out the period needed before they can apply for full citizenship.
     
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    Yes, we DO provide healthcare to foreign nationals. Hundreds of thousands of them. I know many who have obtained said healthcare. Simply saying we don't doesn't change that.
     
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    Hey, like I said earlier, if you're happy with a police state, then it's not up to me to complain to your government on your behalf.

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    It’s starting to feel like Seattle.
     
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    Right. I'd much rather live in the middle a plauge ridden, chaotic farce. The difference is my 'dictatorship' will with the end of the plague - 100% guaranteed. You on the other hand have to live with the chaotic farce more or less indefinably. On the other hand you will be 'free' to enjoy it.
     
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    I would argue that every country will have to live with the virus for an indefinable period of time until an effective vaccine is discovered.

    The majority of the "crisis" in Australia is the cases sweeping through your nursing home employees and residents. Seems extreme to lock down labor and production in the rest of the population.

    But if you're happy to allow authoritarianism for a "plague" which is not terribly deadly to the vast majority of those who get infected, then good on you.

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