What's with these miracle cures?

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  1. Greenleft

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    So now I am hearing about a horse (HORSE!) de-wormer called Ivermectin as a miracle cure for COVID-19. Last year it was Hydroxychloroquine.

    When scientists and medical experts suggest there is a theoretical future for a treatment, that's not a call to go through with that treatment immediately upon the masses.

    Hydroxychloroquine affects one's heart rate, denies Malaria patients access to the drug and it does not work. Ivermectin is for animals and it destroys your intestinal lining and does not work.

    I've heard about something called Regeneron, but I'm not versed on that one.

    I understand everyone is eager to move on from the pandemic, but we need to be patient and then get the vaccine. Wear your mask, stay away from crowds, wash your hands and get the jab. There is no more mixed messaging now like in the beginning of the pandemic.

    I'm fully vaccinated with 2 jabs of Astra Zeneca. It took some time, but I'm now among the good statistics. I did not experiment with any quack medicine.
     
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    My favourite……..

    You can make your own Hydroxychloroquine by boiling - organic - that bit is important! Organic Oranges and Lemons together - one of our anti- vaxxers posted it on a video

    Got upset when I explained that no, all that made was marmalade:p
     
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    Oh! Oh! Oh! You can also avoid Covid by eating raw onions

    Well it may not CURE it but it sure encourages people to avoid your unvaccinated arse :p
     
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    Ivermectin is working well in India.You can't rely on U.S. data since Health Care system in U.S. is genuinely corrupt and is based on profit.

    Vaccines and masks are not the answers.
    Masks do not help since COVID is a airborne infection
    Vaccines work only for short the period of time 4 - 6 months, as we clearly see that issue with Delta variant.
     
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    If it is working so well why is there no evidence of that?

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09...elta-third-wave-vaccines-endemicity/100423756

    India actually seems to have hit a degree of herd immunity

    in fact masking up, social distancing and vaccinations have pulled India out of the pandemic
     
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    We can equally conclude that vaccine in U.S had Zero effect on coronavirus infection
    Just look at the charts.
    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

    No amount of masks help anything.
    Masks do not prevent airborne infection.
    The same way mask do not prevent you from second hand smoking.


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    The vaccines don't stop the spread and masks don't stop the spread. The vaccinated are spreading the virus and the kinds of masks that most people wear are only about 10% effective which is why, during mask mandates, cases increased and why after vaccines cases increased. And, over 7600 people in the US alone have died shortly after the vaccines and tens of thousands have suffered severe adverse reactions to the vaccines. But I especially love how you guys say that hydroxychloroquine is dangerous, but we need to save the doses for RA and malaria patients.
     
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    One is almost a negative of the other.
    Plus you I am very sorry to say, have some of the most idiotic knuckle dragging TWONKS on the planet running some of your states over there if the media is to be believed.

    Honestly if anyone in our government had………well not as bad but they have been severely criticised for NOT acting quicker or NOT having enough protections in place

    The one thing WE have learnt is that you introduce precautions early in an outbreak, contain it locally and do GOOD contact tracing. In fact our normal incidence is so low we are able to tell if we have an incident outbreak by testing sewerage.

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    I can avoid large crowds around me by simply eating Mexican food.
     
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    You haven’t given the combo a chance - in fact if you just look at America those states that have high vaccination + masks - well how have they done in relation to those states that have eschewed both?

    And we have had deaths among the vaccinated but when you look closer the vast majority of those had had only one shot, the time between the shot and the infection was not long enough for the body to have built immunity or they were extremely fragile to start with (nursing home residents etc) And we were mostly relying on AstraZeneca which had less effectiveness than Pfizer
     
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    What's with these miracle cures?

    The only cure for a viral infection is the immune system. So what actually helps are vaccines which give the immune system a head start in developing anti bodies. Drugs can only ameliorate the symptoms but the best approach for that is also vaccination. I don't think we will ever put covid behind us but I do think we can save lives and misery by vaccination. We may need different vaccines as future strains occur but those vaccines will still be the way to go.
     
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    You just don't get it. Vaccines DO kill people and they do cause serious adverse medical events and the type of masks that most Americans wear are only one step above worthless. And, the most vaccinated places on the planet are not only having increased cases, their cases are surging. It just isn't right to lie, coerce, or otherwise force people to be vaccinated. Since possible death and serious adverse reactions can be the case, people should not be forced to get vaccines through mandates and if you are going to require masks then we should have N-95 mask mandates, not just mask mandates. Police should be stationed at every store and other places to inspect the type of masks people are wearing. If you aren't up to snuff, then you are not allowed entrance. The left are more about imposing their will on others rather than following the science.
     
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    Ivermectin is used in human drugs as well and it was first being investigated by Australia last year as a possible treatment. Drugs have off label uses. The great blue wiener pill started off as a blood pressure medicine. The FDA has actually approved Regeneron antibody treatment.
     
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    The ONLY truly effective mask, can't wait to sport MINE (from my prepper stash) come cooler weather, although it's likely to create a panic among other shoppers, LOL! gas.jpg
     
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    I see exactly the same pattern in Australia
    more vaccinations => more cases => more deaths
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    Errr you DO know don’t you that we, like America track everything vaccine that is given on a database called AIR

    https://www.health.gov.au/health-topics/immunisation/getting-vaccinated/check-immunisation-history

    When a patient is tested positive they are checked against the database to see who has been immunised and if they have had one shot or two

    Your premise fails on soooooo many levels
     
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    You don’t “get” it

    So far in QLD we have had SEVEN deaths from COVID - just seven. Our whole bloody continent has had fewer deaths in one year than some of your local counties
     
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    Regeneron is what Trump was treated with after he got covid.
    Ivermectin is a livestock dewormer that was later approved for use in humans and has since been hailed as a literal 'wonder drug', having saved tens to hundreds of millions of people all over the world from suffering debilitating parasites. Its effectiveness at treating covid is still being studied. Its no more accurate to say 'it doesn't work against covid' than it is to say 'it does work against covid' because those studies are still ongoing.
    Same with hydroxychloroquine. Although with hydroxychloroquine, it at least makes more sense that it would be effective than it wouldn't, because the quinine in hydroxychloroquine fights malaria by tricking cells to uptake more zinc than they usually would which is also one of the ways that the human body happens to fight viruses. It would be pretty strange if the studies going on eventually determine that hydroxychloroquine isn't at least somewhat effective at helping the body fight covid...

    And so far as I know, none of the above can cause myocarditis...
     
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    I do not care, it is John Hopkins University that publishes statistics.
    Laterally everywhere. More vaccinations = more cases more deaths.
     
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    I see you have certainly fallen for the propaganda with zero research on the subject.

    Ivermectin is a human prescribed drug approved by the FDA unlike the experimental treatment you took. It won a Nobel prize for its effectiveness and a decade ago was found to be a strong anti-viral for things like denge fever and the common flu.

    India turned around its Covid infections with liberal use of Ivermectin (10% vaccinated) and Japan officially makes it available for Covid patients.

    Here our own CDC warns against using it pushing the very same propaganda you fell for.

    The problem with Ivermectin is it is generic and very cheap. Pharma won’t make the billions they make now if it were approved for Covid here and if approved the Emergency Use Authorization would have to be dropped as an alternative treatment is available.

    Follow the money.
     
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    Dr. Walensky let the Israel cat out of the bag:

    "reports from Israel suggest INCREASED RISK OF SEVERE DISEASE amongst those vaccinated early".
     
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    No hang onto your conspiracies and your made up graphs from dodgy sources
     
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    So how well is the vaccines working? Vaxxers still spreading, contracting and dying? And you make joke of people boiling orange and lemon peel :roll: BTW warm fresh lemon water is sworn by in S Korea, boiled lemon peel and FRESH lemon is huge in California "Ever wonder why they are so expensive and hard to find here" ;)

    I often find it comical to read and hear on news how everyone is so worried about mother nature then I read posts or hear negative talk regarding Mother Nature and her bounty of natures cures :(

    But lets keep it simple shall we

    Lemon
    6 Evidence-Based Health Benefits of Lemons (healthline.com)
    Oranges
    Oranges: Nutrition & Health Benefits (webmd.com)
    Top 11 Types of Drugs Obtained from Fruits (biologydiscussion.com)
     
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