What's your opinion on a pardon for Manafort?

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Why? He has received what is a pretty normal sentence for the crimes he committed. Why do you want super punishment. I thought the Constitution said you cannot be subjected to such vengeance punishment.
     
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    I'm glad you brought up that Manafort was an "unregistered foreign agent." You're right. He was in violation of FARA, which apparently was quite common in those pre-Apocalypse days before Trump. Of course, lots of people and organizations did the same thing, but this is one of those crimes that are rarely prosecuted unless there is a political reason to go after someone, as there was in this case.

    Luckily the Justice Department is actually going to start enforcing FARA now. I guess it's pointless to leave a law out there that's only used for political purposes.
     
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  3. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Oh, please.

    Manafort had contact with a number of oligarchs and companies who had direct contact with Putin. One of his contacts was GRU - which is not Ukrainian!!

    Claiming that the connection between Manafort and Putin is too indirect or irrelevant is something that Mueller went WAY, WAY past.

    Please remember Manafort is guilty of conspiracy against the US.
     
  4. BillRM

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    A pardon is meaningless now that the state of New York had charge him with all manner of taxes, banks, insurance crimes.

    Can not wait until the same happen to Trump and his kids.
     
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  5. PrincipleInvestment

    PrincipleInvestment Well-Known Member

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    Please continue to ignore what judge Amy Berman Jackson read into the courts record during today's sentencing. Conspiring to defraud the US treasury isn't collusion.
     
  6. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    This would be based on your notion of friendly, forgiving Russian oligarchs?

    My own view is that these oligarchs are probably interested in setting expectations concerning the loans they make.

    Deciding to forgive a $10M debt seems inconsistent with their past behavior and future interests.
     
  7. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I dont care if they were prosecured for political reasons or not. I have no problem with Manafort sentence being commuted as long as everyone else’ who have been sentanced for tax evasion or bank fraud are also cul loose from thier draconian sentences too. In my opinion, those offenses should not include prison time. We have too many people in prison for non violent crimes already. Cut all of them loose.
     
  8. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Your total nonsense is tiring.

    Manafort was the campaign manager.

    He was working as a foreign agent.

    Those he worked for are indicted for their assault on our democracy.

    Manafort owes those guys more than $10M.

    Manafort was found guilty of conspiracy against the US.

    Yet, you think this is a PARTISAN POLITICAL ISSUE???
     
  9. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    By definition, a secret conspiracy is collusion.

    But, I don't get your real point here. Are you trying to make a case for Manafort's convictions being illegitimate?
     
  10. PrincipleInvestment

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    No ... your Russian conspiracy is illegitimate. Jackson stated that she hadn't resolved any Russian collusion and Russian election interference allegations because Mueller never submitted those allegations. You're playing the 6 degrees of separation game with Putin. Everyone else is reading the sentencing transcript.
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Let's remember that I'm not claiming that the charges against Manafort are more than crimes surrounding the central Russia issue.

    So, are you claiming that the convictions in Jackson's court were without sufficient evidence? Or, what?
     
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    Well the duh faction is evident. The DOJ refused to indict Hillary for a crime the FBI identified. That would explain the agreement between Lynch and Comey for Comey to decide what the FBI never decides.
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    That has nothing to do with the OP.

    There are ALWAYS crimes that the justice department doesn't prosecute. Even when the FBI pushes for prosecution on some issue, it's not unusual for the DoJ to not prosecute. The FBI and the DoJ have different jobs. For example, the DoJ has to weigh such issues as whether they have the time and manpower to adequately prosecute to a conviction, the full range of defenses that could be mounted, the real value of the case, etc.

    Remember that at one time the DoJ didn't prosecute Manafort on crimes he's now going to serve time for.
     
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    What part of "your Russian conspiracy is illegitimate" didn't you understand ... the 1st time I typed it, in english? I'm stating, not claiming, that you've dishonestly portrayed "conspiracy to defaud the US treasury" as being the same as conspiring with a foreign power. Manafort conspired with his business associates, not Russia, not Putin. The conspiracy revolved around schemes to conceal legitimate earnings. The campaign wasn't involved, and the TAX conspiracy didn't involve the campaign, or campaign funds.
     
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    No pardon is forthcoming.
     
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    If tRUMP thinks it could cost him the 2020 election, not a chance.
    But I bet he does as one of his last acts if he doesn't get reelected or the 1st act he does if reelected.
    I don't think those that cheat the USA or other people should ever be pardoned. Do the crime, do the time.
     
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    Nope. Not gonna happen. No pardon forthcoming.
     
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    His crimes were a hoax?
    How many have been convicted because of the hoax?
    How many indictments because of the hoax?
     
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    Now that thinking is the hoax.
     
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    Everyone knew he was a POS, but got elected anyway.
     
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    Sorry the issue of collusion was not in front of that court.

    Court/judge therefore express no opinion about collusion.

    So no one was clear including Trump of collusioning no matter how many times Trump repeat no collusion and the Judge agree nonsense.

    Given that Trump is hardly a genius it does surprise me how he is able to play so many people as fools,
     
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    That's right. Russian collusion allegations haven't appeared before ANY court. It's cute that you imagine it's someone other than yourself who's been played.
     
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    My notion that they realize he has no means to repay it as he goes off to prison a broke man.
     
  24. Bluesguy

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    What did any if them have to do with the "central Russia issue". What are you saying is the "central Russia issue"?
     
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    Yes I get it. You are perfectly happy with a system of selective justice in which politically unpopular figures can be singled out for punishment, while politically favored figures laugh and laugh and roll around in their pile of ill gotten gains.
     

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