Whats your opinion on the legality of Porn and Prostitution?

Whatever, moral or immoral, legal or illegal, men paying women for sex is not "the most natural thing on earth."

 

It is legal in many countries and I am sure they have ironed out the details.

 

I would assume that if prostotution were legal, so would brothels.

Stats can easily be found that in countries that have legalized prostitution that the workers in those industries face far fewer acts of violence, trafficking, STD's, and so forth.

And every industry has regulations. Why would this be any different?

 

This is an interesting sideline conversation. I recommend you put up a topic so we can discuss this one.

 

Sex is the most natural thing on earth.

 

The chances a person could work as a prostitute for years without contacting HIV or another incurable STD, TB and/or hepatitus is almost zero. But I guess since the person is only a prostitute there is no reason to particularly care, right?

Prostitution is an exorbitantly dangerous, violent world that Hollywood has glamorized. Making it "legal" does not make it safer, but even more dangerous. It will not stop the violence, because violence is already illegal. It will not stop diseases as diseases do not follow laws. Any prostitute not wanting to follow any regulations wouldn't. Rather, it would only add a false sense of safety and legitimacy on both sides of it - other than depending how legalized the government now are the pimps.

 

It is not a sideline conversation whatsoever. Anti-discrimination laws apply to all businesses and all employment.

 

I think it is deserving of its own topic. It is that interesting.

 

Among humans or living organisms, DEATH is the most natural thing on earth.

 

Fair enough lol

 

It should be within this topic as it falls into the core of the view that prostitution is just another business and another job. If it does not fall under laws of businesses and jobs, then it needs to not be discusses as something quite different - and then if so what is the difference? If emotions are taken out of the equation, which would seem necessary, then refusing sex because of the sex, age, physical appearance, race etc of the customer would be illegal under anti-discrimination laws.

Since most welfare requires that the person can not obtain employment, it also then becomes a requirement for people - particularly young people - to become prostitutes and refusal to do so would justify refusing welfare. So the younger the person is down to age 18, the more the government would essentially be forcing such poor people - men and women - into prostitution.

FINALLY, the government would have a way to force poor single mothers - statistically the highest is black young women - to have a job: Be a prostitute. THIS would definitely improve the black community and bring equality, no? Make poor black women and men be prostitutes to white people. What more could serve equality between the races AND economic social equality: Make poor people be prostitutes for high income people. Ah, liberal Democratic Party utopia!

Should then slavery be legal, provided the person "voluntarily" sold her/himself into it?

For example, explain any other job or business allowed for which the person is exposed to EVERY communicable disease - unless acts of prostitution are going to be in a room of supervisors with gowns, masks, and gloves strictly required - the room also required to be sterile?

No amount of regulations, rules and laws will change that prostitution is likely THE most dangerous profession of them all - both for the prostitute and the customers. Legalizing it likely would make it still more dangerous, not less.

People want to limit the debate of this to Hollywood fantasyland's view of prostitution - adding the slogan that government regulating and taxing something then makes it perfect. In fact, prostitution is exorbitantly harmful and destructive to all involved. Making the government the pimps only makes it worse and would corrupt every aspect of government it even remotely touched.

It has NO similarity to legal porn or legalizing drugs. Prostitution should remain a misdemeanor to discourage it and keep it off the streets.

 

My view is NOT that prostitution is evil or sinful, but that it is exceptionally dangerous and harmful to all involved. Laws and regulations cannot eliminate the dangers, only at best shift the dangers. Moreover, regulating something isn't really legalizing it, rather it just shifts the criminality. All the elements of danger - physical and psychological - remain.

Yet it is true there will always be prostitution and even drawing the line at what constitutes prostitution is blurry. Is it still prostitution if a person is hired for a porn movie? Or is that a loophole? My view is that prostitution should be discouraged via misdemeanor laws and those laws used to keep it off the street. Pimping should be a felony.

I do not want government to become the pimps, which is what regulations would do - and if so it would be horrifically abused by many local law enforcement agencies - officers tacitly forcing young women (and men) into prostitution in the 1001 ways corrupt cops and corrupt parole officers could do so. This would be a HUGE problem with "legalization" as there is no longer a presumption that the prostitution is illegal.

Debating this as platitudes doesn't work as they are not within the actual realities that would be involved.

 

It may be one of the most natural things on earth; however, sex is one thing, prostitution is not a 'natural' way to have sex. It is selling oneself. Exchanging something so personal for money is not healthy and not natural. Buying a woman for sex is also not healthy and not natural.

 

From your personal example, how did prostitution being illegal harm you or the prostitute(s) in how it saved your life?

I do not see how legalizing it would make it easier to stop human trafficking or child prostitution rings. It would make human trafficking easier for sex workers easier.

Let's be real here. Cops no longer try to frame or hunt down prostitutes, or at least it is extremely rare. They go after street walkers and places that communities don't want prostitution to be glaring everyone at street cornered.

In Dallas, years ago, a rule was established that any women standing or walking along a certain street that was blocks of low grade bars and nightclubs - known for prostitution - would be picked up unless clearly could be shown wasn't working the streets. Why? A survey showed that over 70% of the prostitutes had an STD and over 50% HIV/AIDS. It had become a tradition for young high school kids to lose their virginity by those hookers - with the horrific obvious danger. The goal was NOT stopping prostitution. It was to force the prostitutes back into the bars, where the TABC routinely checked bars for underage drinkers - meaning the bar owners kept the kids out - and this kept the prostitutes away from the kids. Kids tend to think they are bullet proof and that no disease or danger could ever harm them.

Minor misdemeanor laws keep prostitution in check and is, of itself, a manner of "regulating" it. The government does not need to become the pimps and the government does not need to declare prostitution is just another line of work no different from other jobs for the extreme dangers to all involved.

 

Neither is having sex with strangers.
We should all only have sex when we are married. Not experiencing different people, their minds and bodies, is the best way to live.
Who needs that ****?

 

It is the quintessential of objectifying women as sex objects, isn't it? The value of a woman is the value by which she can be sold for sex and how much of that of herself she will sell?

Would anti-discriminate laws also apply to this? That an obese 45 year old woman would have to be paid the same as a beautiful 19 year old at the brothel? Or would the value of a woman become measured upon 1.) her age and physical appearance and 2.) her willingness to degrade herself sexually?

Forget about work-place sexual harassment. The obligation to have sex could literally be part of the employment contract - as it is "legal." You're a young woman and want the job? A condition of employment could be to allow the boss, the managers, or the entire facility, to have sex with you as prostitution is "legal."

 

I went to Reno where it's legal. I had to travel to Reno every weekend for six months. It was a huge ordeal.

Law enforcement can focus on the actual crimes. Beyond that, it wouldn't force regular people to work outside of the law, which makes the black market far more complex.

They are going after them right now because of Jeff Sessions. I've heard direct feedback from women in the business. Back Page was shut down entirely. And they are performing sting operations on other sites that promote escorts.

The funny part is how clueless they are. It is like trying to stop the tide from coming in. This is what people want - both women and men, and a lot of them! With the internet, it has exploded, both escorting and the sugar world [which is legal].

The day of streetwalkers is ancient history except for the extreme low end. That is ghetto stuff.

 

LOL! Speak not of that which you know nothing about.

Most Johns adore these women. If anyone gets abused, generally it is the men. Men often get too attached and the women break their hearts. It is more the norm than the exception.

I've heard stories from escorts about men who didn't even want sex. They just wanted to talk. Sometimes they even break down and cry.

 

JakeJ, if all these problems are "reality" as you say, why hasnt Clark Co Nevada had a bunch of problems?

 

That also is a complicated question. What if you had the most fantastic sex with someone who otherwise would make a horrific wife or otherwise would have nothing to do with you but for your money? MONEY would allow you to temporarily buy a woman otherwise entirely out of your league. Wouldn't that mean no matter who you married you wouldn't always see your marriage sex life as inferior or even see your wife overall as inferior?

 

How it saved my life.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/my-second-life-and-other-secrets.485891/

 

I think prostitution should be legal but only because it is safer than having it be illegal. The government can control and regulate it when it is legal. The women and the men are in far less danger from many things that plague illegal prostitution...disease, violence, etc.

 

Well, it could. But i always say sexual compatibility will make or break a relationship.

 

Actually, you are less likely to get an STD from a prostitute than you are a one-night-stand with a stranger.

I've met a lot of escorts, None with whom I've talked about such things have ever been in a really bad situation. A few dicey ones, but nothing happened. A lot of the stereotypes are more ghetto league stuff.

The most dangerous guys are guys like trump. That's specifically why stormy's friend didn't go. The uber rich guys are the ones who can be the most dicey. They are all about power and control with everything!

But the flip side is that they are also the ones who hire doms to abuse them. LOL!

 

Well, government does that all of the time. government tells you to send your children to school, to vaccinate your children, how far you can drive your car, how to discipline your children, to pay taxes, etc. What I am saying is that it does not matter what and individual thinks at all, unless you are one who legislates supposed law, enforces those supposed laws, etc. If government was really as bad as some say it is, then there would be no government. The reason government still exists, is because the majority knows that without said entity, they would not have the "fineries" that they have. Status is produced through the barrel of a gun and everyone knows this fact in these United States of North America.