When does a ZEF (zygote/embryo/fetus) become a person? WHY?

Well at least we can agree they are two different things . A zygote is not a child

 

No on questions that a fertilized egg is the very start of life...like an acorn is the start of an oak tree.
You seem to be unable to accept that it is a POTENTIAL child if the woman allows herself to be the incubator. An acorn will be a tree if we put it in soil ..
If you see a zygote as a child, then I suggest you adopt a zygote and dress it in a sailor suit

 

What on earth are you talking about? That's a ridiculous statement.

 

Actually it is a sarcastic statement designed to point out your deficiencies in thought while avoiding direct insult...it was well done. That you fail to understand is more a testament to your own ineptitude than anyone elses.

 

Dude, first of all, the sperm and the egg are both "human life". Do you agree with this or do you think the sperm and the egg are either dead or non-human?

Secondly, there is no such thing as a "one cell human being". It's an oxymoron like calling North Korea a Democratic People's Republic or phrases like "deafening silence" and "deceptively honest".

I know what you and others are trying to convey: that once a "soulless" sperm and a "soulless" egg unite, God puts a soul in it. I believe in God and believe God created the entire Universe with all of it's laws. Those laws created human beings with brains. IMO, God expects us to use our brains and understand God's creation. To do otherwise is to disrespect God. In short, denying science is to deny God's creation.

 

I think you need to go back and read. I never called a zygote a toddler or a child.

 

If you think they have the same rights then, yes, that is what you're saying.

This is from your post #152:

OKgrannie said: ↑
A fetus is not a human being; a human being has a brain capable of directing its bodily functions so that it could be self-sustaining if necessary. A fetus is "human" (adjective) but NOT "a human being." It is those who force women to continue an unwanted pregnancy by means of law who are punishing a woman. There is no logical reason why a woman should not be legally allowed to terminate an unwanted pregnancy."""""





You responded : ""Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. """

 

That’s called sarcasm. ..duh! I will have to simplify my ideas. You see a zygote as a living human being And show us a definition that doesn’t say that at all

 

That is my cousins organization, pregnant women were put into prison and she defends them. How can a pregnant woman get prenatal care if they she be criminalized.

 

Rights aren't based on a fetus's or a baby's helplessness.....

A fetus is connected physically to the woman it's in whether you agree with science or not. So it has no rights.

Once it is separated from the woman it is a person and has rights.

You never did say why you want the fetus to have more rights than anyone else (???)) Why can't you explain that position?

By whom?? The law? You? roflol Any way you squiggle and squirm, forcing women to gestate, like forcing them to get an abortion, is punishment and denying rights.

No, he isn't...WTF are you talking about? The person who uses the hospital is responsible for the bill....

UH, NO, that would be "THEIR creation" ..

Obviously you think it's punishment for a man to support his children...I feel bad for kids with father's who feel that way...


...and yes, FORCING a woman to GESTATE IS punishment...if it wasn't then why force it??

 

How amusing. you talk out of both sides of your mouth. Participation in gestation is usually VOLUNTARY. You know how it happens, right?
If the woman can walk away from responsibility, then in the cause for equality, so can a man. The baby is attached to the man through his wallet, but a woman has no responsibilities at all? Illogical. Why do you need to force the man to pay, it is voluntary.
All of a sudden it goes from "her creation" to "THEIR creation. hahahaahaha.

Where do you people find your convoluted logic. Either both of the parents can abort, or neither can abort. It is not punishment either. It is a multilevel word I have found liberals just don't want to accept, RESPONSIBILITY for ones actions.

Try and grow and oak tree without a seed. These are human beings we create, and either mankind has rights to life or not. Punishment and responsibility are not the same words or have the same meanings.

 

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...and should remain that way...it should not be forced..

So ? Men are equally free to have an abortion....of course they have to be pregnant to get one.

Who said that? Once the BABY (person) is born the woman has responsibility for it just like the "father" does.

Not according to the law.

Uh, you don't know how women get pregnant? It usually takes two...

Again, men have a right to abort their pregnancies at any time.....but they can't force anyone else to abort.

It is very responsible to abort a pregnancy when one doesn't want a kid and/or can't afford a kid.

YOU have NEVER answered my question : Why do you want what you consider irresponsible people to have kids??

Well, somehow you have the idea that YOU personally determine what is or isn't responsible...and that just isn't true...

Would you want a woman who was raped to be forced to have her rapist's baby?