When should America discriminate?

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Surprise question, isn't it? Some people think never.

    I don't, and here is why (from the National Center for Education Statistics) - Infographic:
    Percentage distribution of associate's degrees and bachelor's degrees awarded by degree-granting postsecondary institutions, by race/ethnicity and sex: Academic year 2013–14
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    It is clear (to me) from the above infographic that we should indeed discriminate FOR all those ethnicities that do not have the same postsecondary graduation rate as whites! They need help and they should get it for no cost whatsoever to them.

    Not to do so IS discriminatory in that we seem to think that kids who don't get a degree don't deserve one. And yet, without a public-education option at the Tertiary Level (vocational, 2- or 4- or more years) that is free, gratis and for nothing America is effectively incarcerating people in relative poverty. And at the moment that discrimination exists at the level of the colour of one's skin as seen from the above infographic.

    Nobody except the south of the US questioned who should be "free" from the very beginning of the US. After 1864 that question we thought settled. And yet, the graphic above shows how much ethnicities are not free economically to obtain a work-skills offering postsecondary education.

    And, why is this a key distinction? Because, as we exit the Industrial Age we enter the Information Age where higher educational skills will be key to finding decent jobs. And yet, today, it should be obvious to all that slapping products together in a production line is now at a level where robotics applied to virtually all product-lines extant in America has shown us the way.

    So, for the future of our country and its racial harmony I suggest that Tertiary Education be made free, gratis and for nothing. Why do I know that's the right thing to do? Well, because I am a Yank who lives in France and I have seen personally what free-education can do here. I spent about $1000 per school year on a post-secondary education for my children here in France, because it is subsidized by the French government.

    So, now you understand where Bernie got his idea for free tertiary-education. And why Hillary so willingly accepted it into her election platform that the Federal government should subsidize all Tertiary Education for families with an income below $100K annually. (Because 54K was the median income of American families in 2017 at election time, and so a family of four with two working parents typically had below $100K as total family income.)

    That is the investment our country should be making for our young. Or, we'll simply have to pay the tab for the Unemployment that will afflict more and more of our fellow citizens who did not have the means to obtain a postsecondary degree under the existing conditions.

    Today, only 46.1% of all Americans have a "post-graduate degree". That is not even half the population! And so, what are the other 54% of the population to do? Well, 14% of them are living their lives below the Poverty Threshold year after year after year.

    Which is shameful of a country that could well afford to educate them free, gratis and for nothing.

    We need to get our priorities right ...

     
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    Merwen Well-Known Member

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    You can bring a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    And this is why socialism "seems" so egalitarian. Until you peel back the ask a little. If education were already egalitarian, the expectation would be that all publicly provided education services were in fact equal, a stunningly refutable assertion. So, it would seem that for egalitarian reasons, that adding additional public services seems only to more rigidly enforce the current performance gaps that already exist. So, the question becomes, why advocate it at all?

    Simple. It grows the expansion of the union bots that populate public education. It enforces an idea that creates more money for one political party, and increases their fundraising. The OP is a pretty naked expression of public services oriented expansion that obviously isn't intended to meet any of the high level gaps the OP points to as justification. Laughable, really.
     
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    First off, your education obviously didn't do much good, as you took information that fit your argument and ignored all others.

    What percentage of our population is white, black, Hispanic? Do those percentages not line up quite well with the distribution of degrees? Do we not currently spend $990 billion a year on public education, including the tertiary level?

    Do most states not offer a free higher education to those with low incomes? I seem to recall going to community college for damn near free, even when factoring in living expenses.
     
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  5. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Mindless ad-hominem sarcasm.

    Moving right along ...
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    According to the Census bureau, blacks make up 12.7% of the population. By that stat, they are doing pretty well in terms of the degrees you posted on the infographic.
    Latino's aren't doing so well as they are 16.3% of the population. Asians are about 4.8% of the population, and whites about 72%. Racially, things don't look bad. Blacks get degrees at over their percentage of the population. Whites get degrees at under their percentage of the population. Asians are pretty close.
     
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    Old Man Fred Well-Known Member

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    Honest, logical discourse doesn't drum up emotion.

    Lies, damn lies, and statistics, improperly conveyed, accomplish an ends.
     
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    While the Median Family income may be 54k the individual median income in the U.S. is only $31,892, only $514 more than it was in the year 2000.We attend college as individuals not families.When at most major state colleges and universities the highest paid person on campus is the coach of the football or basketball team it tends to make a joke out of promoting college education.
     
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  9. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We live as families. The population living as "families" is far, far more important than the singles-population.

    Evidently, you were never a child ... ?
     
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    Obviously you haven't heard of the parents who just sued to get their 30 year old son to leave the family nest!!
     
  11. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Apparently I have. So what?

    Boot the sumbitch out. They own the property, he would be "breaking and entering" should he attempt to return. The state-jail will be more than pleased to accommodate him.

    The parents must be mental dwarfs ...
     

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