Whenver a cop kills someone they get a 3 week paid vacation

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  1. ryobi

    ryobi Well-Known Member

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    Whenever a cop kills someone they get a 3 week paid vacation.

    They call it "administrative leave," but what it amounts to is a 3 week paid vacation.

    If people want to remedy police brutality then shouldn't they be working to stop incentivizing killing???
     
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    While they are on administrative leave during a post-shooting investigation, should they be docked their pay?
     
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    william kurps Well-Known Member

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    A police officer job is tough, why dont we all just follow the rules?
     
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    A post-shooting investigation is a homicide investigation. You cannot expect a police officer who has just been involved in a shooting to just go back to work while his actions are the subject of a homicide investigation. You cannot expect any responsible police department to keep that officer on duty during the investigation. So, he goes on admin leave with pay until the investigation is concluded and a decision is rendered by the District Attorney or Grand Jury.
     
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    There is nothing that "incentivizes" police shootings. If you have police officers who want to kill, then you hired the wrong people.

    Being on admin leave after a shooting is no vacation.
     
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    One of the fringe benefits to being in a stressful job.

    I certainly wouldn't want to be a police officer. Go out their risking your life everyday, have to shoot people, and then on top of that worry about losing your career and potentially getting homicide charges if you make a mistake (something that can be easy to do in many types of situations, btw). We expect police on the ground to make split second decisions, and then always be right. That's not always reasonable.
     
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    Yea, a cop who kills someone can't wait to get to the beach! Get real, the cop is just as tramatized as anyone else.
     
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    Cops don't care about killing poor people.

    Poor people are the cogs in the prison industrial complexes wheel that make it work.

    The poor are disproportionally punished by the legal system.

    Take a simple example:

    a 100.00 dollar traffic ticket is ten times more punishment for someone making 10,000 dollars a year than it is for someone making 100,000 dollars a year, and that's just a simple example.
     
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    they should have to pay the government back when they are later found to be in the wrong imo

    if they had to pay it back when in the wrong, people would not have as much issue with it
     
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    good cops, not bad ones
     
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    Do they care less about killing poor people than you or me, or any other random member of the population does?
    I'm not sure I understand your statement.

    Is your claim that, persons who are cops are generally more cold, callous, uncaring, evil people than average members of the population? Is that what you were trying to say?

    Or would you say any group of people randomly picked out of the population would pretty much be like this, and the problem is human nature.

    And that the problem is cops need to be perfect people and society is not made up of perfect people.
     
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    Another example of the poor being disproportionally punished in America is the difference between how a poor family and wealthy mortgage company were punished for the same type of crime.

    The father and a son on that show, ‘Alaskan Bush People,’ got 30 days for committing fraud when they were unable to prove that they were residents of Alaska because, you know, you don’t have things like electric bills when you’re living in the bush in Alaska.

    On the other hand, Fannie May and Freddie Mac defrauded multitudes of people out of countless dollars by committing securities fraud.

    And there was no doubt that Fannie May and Freddie Mac committed securities fraud but rather than being punished for committing fraud, each were awarded a billion dollars.

    So on one hand you have poor people who could not prove they were residents of Alaska and they got 30 days and on the other hand you have two multibillion dollar mortgage companies who defrauded countless people out of multitudes of dollars and they were each awarded a billion dollars.
     
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    It was harder to pinpoint specific blame, because a corporation is made up of multiple people, and it wasn't so clear which individuals exactly were responsible, and to what degrees. In any hierarchical organizational structure, an individual can do something, but not know what they are doing is wrong, they are just doing what they are told from higher up as part of their job.

    That is why they passed special laws to deal with criminal organizations, but it is not so simple when the organizations are themselves legal.
     
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    So with that logic, anarchy?
     
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    thanks to Bush jr removing regulations, banks got away with it


    https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/worldbusiness/21iht-admin.4.18853088.html

    "From his earliest days in office, Bush paired his belief that Americans do best when they own their own homes with his conviction that markets do best when left alone. Bush pushed hard to expand home ownership, especially among minority groups, an initiative that dovetailed with both his ambition to expand Republican appeal and the business interests of some of his biggest donors. But his housing policies and hands-off approach to regulation encouraged lax lending standards."

    "Bush Ties Policy to Record Home Ownership" March 26, 2004

    https://www.foxnews.com/story/bush-ties-policy-to-record-home-ownership

    "Late last year, Bush signed the American Dream Down Payment Act (search) to help families that can afford monthly mortgage payments but not the down payment or closing costs associated with buying a house. The legislation authorizes $200 million a year in down payment assistance to at least 40,000 low-income families."
     
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    Yes, let's just have a world without police and see how that goes...

    Or we could have a society with fewer laws, giving police less opportunity to have confrontations with people. (If it's not their job, they're not going to bother)

    Or you could move to a neighborhood with fewer police.
    Have you ever noticed neighborhoods with more crime tend to have more police roaming the area? Sounds like there might be a bit of an inherent trade-off here, to me. Something to give some thought to.
     
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    That's because a cop shouldn't be punished for firing their weapon when it's evident they had no other choice. Their job involves having to use a deadly weapon if possible. Spare us your nonsense.
     

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