Hey Ronstar I asked you to address the issue of the soap allegedly made of human fat and the lampshades allegedly made of human skin. http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/where-are-the-missing-jews.558565/#post-1070772114 It kind of looks like both cases were lies and it kind of discredits the party that told the lies. If there's one confirmed lie, there may be others. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=BUCHENWALD+A+Dumb+Dumb+Portrayal+Of+Evil+&sm=12 If you three think these cases weren't lies, please tell us why. Mod edit/ Off topic/flamebait
LOL!!!! the 4.5 million figure is from the Wannsee Conference and is before Operationa Barbarossa and ignores the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union. it ignores the Jews in eastern Poland, Romania, Hungary, Croatia, Ukraine, all of whom were under direct Nazi control or the direct control of their Fascist allies, for YEARS!!! major fail bro. according to the numbers of the Wannsee Conference, at least 9 million Jews were under direct Nazi control or the control of their Fascist allies, at the height of Nazi/Fascist power. once again, facts and history are on my side.
Wrong again. The Wannsee conference was in January of 1942 and Operation Barbarossa was from June 1941 to December of 1941 therefore the Wannsee Conference was after Operation Barbarossa and at the height of the 3rd Reich. The Nazis had no reason to lie about the number of Jews under their control which was 4.5 million and reposting the population of Jews around all of Europe has nothing to do with that 4.5 million under Nazi control. Mod edit/Off topic
the 4.5 million figure is from the Wannsee Conference it ignores the Jews in eastern Poland, Romania, Hungary, Croatia, Ukraine, all of whom were under direct Nazi control or the direct control of their Fascist allies, for YEARS!!! according to the numbers of the Wannsee Conference, at least 9 million Jews were under direct Nazi control or the control of their Fascist allies, at the height of Nazi/Fascist power. once again, facts and history are on my side.
What silly bluster. I dare you to show where you or anyone else has debunked even one thing I've written or Posted. The only "evidence" to support the fraudulent standard holocaust narrative are contradictory "eyewitness accounts", tortured confessions and fake documents like your "found" blueprint of Auschwitz: "Auschwitz Expert: Blueprints Found in Berlin Not of Death Camp" https://www.haaretz.com/1.5056721 EXCERPT " Van Pelt...a internationally acknowledged expert on the planning and construction of Auschwitz, also said the words "gas chamber" on one of the drawings meant a room in which disinfection of clothing was done by means of gas, and that the sketch is not of an extermination camp established in 1942, but rather of earlier plans for a huge concentration camp in which a force of 130,000 slave laborers was intended to work. Van Pelt suggested the plans might be fakes, motivated by the lucrative market in Nazi memorabilia and documents."CONTINUED Meanwhile, I've waited weeks for you to answer 3 simple questions I have repeatedly posed & cited on this and a related thread: 1. Where are all the homicidal gas chambers and the auxiliary rooms with extensive fans & ventilation systems that were needed to heat the Zyklon B to a gaseous state and then introduce the gas into the gas chamber and, later, exhaust the deadly gas from the room so that the bodies could be cleared? 2. Do you believe that the morgue at Auschwitz that is falsely labeled as a "gas chamber" is genuine or simply a fake used to deceive gullible & poorly informed individuals? 3. Why are there no reports of seeing the most noteworthy symptom of cherry red skin by any of the quoted survivors and "gas chamber" eyewitnesses ?(1), (2), (3) (1)"Johns Hopkins" http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/publications/cyanide-fact-sheet Signs and Symptoms EXCERPT "Other: acute lung injury, nausea and vomiting, cherry-red skin color." CONTINUED (2) "Cyanide Toxicity" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK507796/ EXCERPT "Patients with cyanide poisoning will not be cyanotic but will have a cherry red color due to excess oxygen in the bloodstream."CONTINUED (3) "Cyanide Poisoning Treatment, Symptoms & Effects - eMedicineHealth" https://www.emedicinehealth.com/cyanide_poisoning/article_em.htm EXCERPT "The skin of a cyanide-poisoned person can sometimes be unusually pink or cherry-red because oxygen will stay in the blood and not get into the cells."CONTINUED
according to the numbers in the Wansee Conference, an additional 4.7 million Jews were under direct Nazi/Fascist control when you add eastern Poland, Ukraine, Hungary, Romania, Italy and Croatia.
this is a fascinating post. do you agree with these ideas @Jazz? do they motivate your belief that the Holocaust didnt happen? how about you @Grau, what do ya think?
Re: You mean like your "fact" that the Wannsee Conference preceded Operation Barbarossa.......LOL. Re: No, the fact is that only 4.5 million Jews were under Nazi control at the hight of the 3rd Reich. I can support my assertions, why can't you? 1. "CHAPTER 2: THE NUMBER OF JEWS UNDER NAZI CONTROL" http://thesixmillionfactorfiction.blogspot.com/2018/01/chapter-2-number-of-jews-under-nazi.html Section 9: There Were 4.5 Million Jews under Direct Nazi Control EXCERPT "If there was one group which would have been interested in establishing exactly how many Jews were under German control, it would have been the Nazis themselves. In this regard, the official German records offer an astonishing insight. The Nazis estimated that the maximum number of Jews under their control at the Reich’s height was no more than 4.5 million—and they would have had no particular reason to lie or exaggerate. Figures produced by the German government and submitted to the famous Wannsee Conference in January 1942, listed the following numbers of Jews in territories under Nazi control:"CONTINUED 2. "The Wannsee Conference: Another Lie Crushed" http://barnesreview.org/the-wannsee-conference-another-lie-crushed/ EXCERPT "The actual minutes of the Wannsee Conference can be read in their entirety—in the original German here, In reality, the Wannsee meeting and its minutes do not contain a master plan to kill Jews; – Nowhere in the meeting’s minutes is genocide discussed, planned, proposed, or even suggested; – The Wannsee meeting never discussed gas chambers, shootings, or any of the fantasies propagated by the exterminationists; – The Wannsee Minutes reported that there were only 4.5 million Jews under German control (yet 4.3 million Jewish compensation claims have been lodged against the postwar German government)CONTINUED
4.5 million does not include Hungary, Romania, Italy, Croatia, Ukraine, eastern Poland, which we ALL know were under Nazi/Fascist control for several years. This adds an additional 4.7 million Jews. facts are on my side. As is history.
and by the way @Grau, section B of the Wannsee Conference list of jewish populations includes Allied and Client States, which Ukraine, Romania, Croatia, Hungary, Italy qualify. thats 4.7 plus 4.5= 9.2 million Jews under Nazi/Fascist control. I win
Wannsee Conference states: "Under proper guidance, in the course of the final solution the Jews are to be allocated for appropriate labor in the East. Able-bodied Jews, separated according to sex, will be taken in large work columns to these areas for work on roads, in the course of which action doubtless a large portion will be eliminated by natural causes. The possible final remnant will, since it will undoubtedly consist of the most resistant portion, have to be treated accordingly, because it is the product of natural selection and would, if released, act as the seed of a new Jewish revival" doesnt take a genius to understand that genocide was the goal here.
There is absolutely no reference to "executions", genocide or extermination in the Wannsee Conference and death by natural causes during the privations of war time was to be expected due to rampant epidemics of typhus. There's nothing there to support your fantasy.
Not so fast. Have you ever wondered why the countries listed were divided under "A" and "B"? According to the Wannsee Conference's list you keep posting, the countries listed under "A" are all the countries in which Jews were under Nazi control. The countries listed under "B" are the countries where the Jews were NOT under Nazi control even if they were allied to Nazi Germany: "The Six Million: Fact or Fiction" http://thesixmillionfactorfiction.blogspot.com/2018/01/chapter-2-number-of-jews-under-nazi.html EXCERPT "Below: Page 6 from the minutes of the Wannsee Conference, detailing how many Jews were in all of Europe (11 million), and how many were under German control (4.5 million). Section “A” is the list under German control, and section “B” is not under German control. It is incorrect to assume that the Jews in countries allied to the Germans were handed over to the Nazis. The most famous example of this is Bulgaria, whose entire Jewish population was protected by that country’s government, as recounted in Jewish historian Martin Gilbert’s book The Holocaust (Holt, Rinehart & Winston, 1985). The Yad Vashem, Israel’s official Holocaust memorial institute, claims that Denmark only lost 60 Jews dead, that Finland lost 7 Jews dead, that Italy lost 7,600 Jews (out of the total of 58,000, by Nazi estimates)."CONTINUED So, by correctly interpreting the same list you keep posting, it confirms my assertion that only 4.5 million Jews were under Nazi control.
The Nazis conquered Eastern Poland and Ukraine. The Nazis and their fascist allies ruled over Hungary Italy Croatia. that brings the total number of Jews under Nazi and fascist Nazi-allied control to more than 9 million. you can go ahead and keep ignoring Operation Barbarossa and the Nazis fascist allies but nobody cares anymore
You didn't even know that Operation Barbarossa preceded & was concluded by the time of the Wannsee Conference was held. The Nazis would have known how many Jews were under their control far more than you which was 4.5 million so what part of: "It is incorrect to assume that the Jews in countries allied to the Germans were handed over to the Nazis." do you not understand. Face facts & be honest. Like your "gas chamber myth" and fake, "found" Auschwitz blueprint, your whole fiction has just been debunked.
Lol!!! The fascist allies of the Nazis were more than happy to help the Germans solve the Jewish question. Romania, Croatia, Italy, Slovakia, shipped hundreds of thousands of Jews to Poland for their Final Solution. The Nazis ruled Ukraine for years and had death squads murder at Least 1 million. Sorry bro, facts and history are on my side 9.2 million Jews in Europe under Nazi or Fascist control at the height of WW2. And most of those Fascists were glad to help Hitler solve the Jewish Question.
O.k., dear fellow fighters for the truth, here comes the last and final word on the matter that should put the debate to bed for good!: How Many Jews Were Eliminated by the Nazis? .... Excerpt: 9. As a commentary on the above estimates, most of them by Jewish writers, and nearly all based on Jewish figures, one may well point out that Gerald Reitlinger, in his SS: Alibi of a Nation (1956), a large and heavily documented work, estimated that the number of Jews actually deliberately exterminated by the Nazis in their death camps, euthanasia camps, gas chambers, and the like, was far less than 500,000. Reitlinger writes as a strong critic of the Nazis, so he is not seeking to defend or exonerate them. Take your time and enjoy reading the full article here: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p-61_Hankins.html One more report: INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS (IRC) DOCUMENT CONFIRMS 271 000, NOT 6 MILLION, DIED IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS. http://www.renegadetribune.com/inte...ort-confirms-holocaust-six-million-jews-hoax/
Repeating the same debunked nonsense about 9.2 million Jews under Nazi control over & over again doesn't make it true. What part of: "It is incorrect to assume that the Jews in countries allied to the Germans were handed over to the Nazis." (Post #64) do you not understand? I've already proven and supported the fact that only 4.5 million Jews were under Nazi control in my Posts #64 & #66 and see no point in repeating myself. I can support my facts & you're only repeating nonsense with the hope that you might fool someone with repetition of previously debunked falsehoods. - "CHAPTER 2: THE NUMBER OF JEWS UNDER NAZI CONTROL" http://thesixmillionfactorfiction.blogspot.com/2018/01/chapter-2-number-of-jews-under-nazi.html Section 9: There Were 4.5 Million Jews under Direct Nazi Control EXCERPT "If there was one group which would have been interested in establishing exactly how many Jews were under German control, it would have been the Nazis themselves. In this regard, the official German records offer an astonishing insight. The Nazis estimated that the maximum number of Jews under their control at the Reich’s height was no more than 4.5 million—and they would have had no particular reason to lie or exaggerate. Figures produced by the German government and submitted to the famous Wannsee Conference in January 1942, listed the following numbers of Jews in territories under Nazi control:"CONTINUED - "The Wannsee Conference: Another Lie Crushed" http://barnesreview.org/the-wannsee-conference-another-lie-crushed/ EXCERPT "The actual minutes of the Wannsee Conference can be read in their entirety—in the original German here, In reality, the Wannsee meeting and its minutes do not contain a master plan to kill Jews; – Nowhere in the meeting’s minutes is genocide discussed, planned, proposed, or even suggested; – The Wannsee meeting never discussed gas chambers, shootings, or any of the fantasies propagated by the exterminationists; – The Wannsee Minutes reported that there were only 4.5 million Jews under German control (yet 4.3 million Jewish compensation claims have been lodged against the postwar German government);CONTINUED
11 millions Jews in Europe before WW2. 9.2 million under Nazi/Fascist control during the war. According to the numbers of the Wannsee Conference.
According to the numbers in the Wannsee Conference, 4.5 million Jews were under direct Nazi control and another 4.7 million were under the control of Nazi allies or Nazi client states. Croatia, Ukraine, Romania, Hungrary, Slovakia were all fascist regimes during WW2
Do you think that by repeating the same debunked falsehoods you'll fool anyone who has noted that the Wannsee Conference list of Jews in Europe is divided into 2 parts, "A" and "B"? The first part of the list were of countries in which the 4.5 million Jews WERE under German control: "A" The second part of the same list were of the approximately 6.5 million Jews in countries who WERE NOT under German control: "B" You will note that many of the countries under German control at the height of the Third Reich are listed among countries never occupied by the Germans, England, Ireland, Portugal etc. That means that though a country may have been under German control, its Jewish population was not under German control such as Bulgaria whose Jews were protected by the Bulgarian government. Even Italy which was Germany's ally only lost 7,600 of its Jews out of an estimated Jewish population of 58,000. You, apparently, didn't know why it was divided into 2 parts "A" and "B" which was to show which Jews were under German control and the approximately 6.5 million who were not. You can continue to repeatedly deny the facts proven by the same document you've repeatedly posted but repetition of falsehoods doesn't make them real. There were only 4.5 million Jews under German control at the height of the 3rd Reich. Those are the facts. Case closed. "The Six Million: Fact or Fiction" http://thesixmillionfactorfiction.blogspot.com/2018/01/chapter-2-number-of-jews-under-nazi.html EXCERPT "Below: Page 6 from the minutes of the Wannsee Conference, detailing how many Jews were in all of Europe (11 million), and how many were under German control (4.5 million). Section “A” is the list under German control, and section “B” is not under German control. It is incorrect to assume that the Jews in countries allied to the Germans were handed over to the Nazis. The most famous example of this is Bulgaria, whose entire Jewish population was protected by that country’s government, as recounted in Jewish historian Martin Gilbert’s book The Holocaust (Holt, Rinehart & Winston, 1985). The Yad Vashem, Israel’s official Holocaust memorial institute, claims that Denmark only lost 60 Jews dead, that Finland lost 7 Jews dead, that Italy lost 7,600 Jews (out of the total of 58,000, by Nazi estimates)."CONTINUED - "CHAPTER 2: THE NUMBER OF JEWS UNDER NAZI CONTROL" http://thesixmillionfactorfiction.blogspot.com/2018/01/chapter-2-number-of-jews-under-nazi.html Section 9: There Were 4.5 Million Jews under Direct Nazi Control - "The Wannsee Conference: Another Lie Crushed" http://barnesreview.org/the-wannsee-conference-another-lie-crushed/ EXCERPT "The actual minutes of the Wannsee Conference can be read in their entirety—in the original German here, In reality, the Wannsee meeting and its minutes do not contain a master plan to kill Jews; – Nowhere in the meeting’s minutes is genocide discussed, planned, proposed, or even suggested; – The Wannsee meeting never discussed gas chambers, shootings, or any of the fantasies propagated by the exterminationists; – The Wannsee Minutes reported that there were only 4.5 million Jews under German control (yet 4.3 million Jewish compensation claims have been lodged against the postwar German government);CONTINUED
You do understand that anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of the course of WW2 knows that Ukraine was under direct Nazi occupation for 2-3 years depending on the region? That adds 3 million more Jews to the 'under Nazi control' category. Then there was Hungary with its 740,000 Jews, under direct Nazi control in 1944. Then there were puppet regimes such as Slovakia & others who actively deported Jews or allies such as Romania who both helped the Nazis kill Jews under their control or kill the Jews themselves. Those named add well over 4 million Jews to those Nazi Germany could potentially have killed. What happened in Bulgaria or Denmark has nothing to do with what happened in those areas, as you well know. Surely you understand that people know these things, so why continually re-post the same highly misleading information? All it does it make it clear how determined you are to deceive people.
People who have been deceived into believing the standard holocaust narrative about "6 million Jews executed", numerous "homicidal car chambers" etc claim that there are "reams of documents and mountains of evidence" to support their chosen fantasy or what has become a holocaust cult belief. However, when any document debunks that fiction, they dismiss it, fabricate deliberate mistranslations or claim that it doesn't mean what it says. The Wannsee Conference is just such a document that debunks the "6 million Jews killed" fiction because by the accounting of the Germans, themselves, they state that there were only 4.5 million Jews under their control at the height of the 3rd Reich. They would have no reason to inflate or minimize the number of Jews under their control at a meeting among themselves. I am not trying to deceive people who have already been deceived by the influential, multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry & its complicit Hollywood media moguls. I speak fluent German, have read the Wannsee Conference minutes and am simply accurately reporting what the document's page 6 says. It clearly states that only the Jews in countries under "A" were under German control.(1) Hungary /"Ungarn" is in section "B" which means that its Jews were not under German control because Hitler allowed Hungary to decide for itself what to do with its Jewish population. Just because the Germans occupied a foreign country does not mean that it controlled its entire population and all of its land or that its existing government was willing to put its Jews under German control. (1) "The Six Million: Fact or Fiction" http://thesixmillionfactorfiction.blogspot.com/2018/01/chapter-2-number-of-jews-under-nazi.html EXCERPT " Page 6 from the minutes of the Wannsee Conference, detailing how many Jews were in all of Europe (11 million), and how many were under German control (4.5 million). Section “A” is the list under German control, and section “B” is not under German control.
Ronstar, these deniers will NEVER accept the facts. They have yet to come up with anything new in the past 15 or 20 years and the leading proponents and so called "scholars and experts" are either dead, or hiding under their rocks. (I was so pleased to hear of Zundel's death). WE are both intimately familiar with their tactics and intellectual bankruptcy. There isn't a single argument they make that hasn't been thoroughly debunked in detail. They view the apocryphal stories like "soap and lampshades" as proof the entire holocaust must be fake news, while conveniently ignoring the fact that they have been thoroughly debunked by actual historians. So as you point out, they cling to the tactical handbook of revisionist scholarship
