Where are the missing Jews?

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  1. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Anybody reading the absolute crap that so called "holocaust revisionsists" write can quickly ascertain that they are amateurs at best and cretinous liars at worst.

    I totally agree that those people who made up stories of holocaust experiences for their own financial benefit are scumbags, only slightly higher in the scum strata than those clowns who deny the nazi's genocide. Fortunately there are a few MILLION stories of direct holocaust experience that were not made up, but real eyewitness accounts of the atrocities the nazi's perpetrated.

    But of course the few make the many all liars in brilliant denialist fashion. Yep you are consistent in both sources and tactical implementation, which is not surprising since there hasn't been a SINGLE piece of new evidence to support denialist bullshit. Even the Arolsen archives that were recently released only CONFIRMED the narrative.

    Oh well when you have to rely on leuchter, faurisson, mottogno, rudolph, butz, irving, zundel, ball, cole, barnes et.al. it only makes sense that new facts in support of their bullshit would be few and very very very far between.

    BTW, when are you going to ask the question "can this be true" when it comes to your revisionsist heroes? I wonder
     
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    No, it is NOT impossible to say what happened. Millions of Jews don't just disappear. You have provided ZERO evidence of their fate. A handful of people changing religion does not explain the disappearance of millions. Refugees settle somewhere and when they do they are documented and recorded.

    We are supposed to believe that these millions of people who had been separated from their families simply did not make contact with anyone who knew them before the war ever again. Millions of them? You demand a standard of proof for the holocaust that you cannot come remotely close to for your theories, yet we are just supposed to accept 'it is impossible to say'.

    Nope. There is a great deal of evidence for the holocaust. There is none for any alternative fate for the millions of Jews who disappeared during the war and you provide none. Until you can your claims of a giant hoax are without merit.
     
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    You're right, millions of Jews did not simply disappear and I never said that they did.

    The OP has provided absolutely no proof or source supporting his opinion that "millions of Jews" did, in fact, "disappear and "Scott" has already provided a detailed accounting of how many Jews really did "disappear" in his Posts #3 & #4.

    I already provided a more general accounting for that fewer number of Jews who are really missing in my earlier Post #137 and see no point in repeating what has already been clearly stated in that and earlier Posts.

    That's what happens when you come in late to a thread, ignore what has already been answered & refuse to read earlier Posts.
     
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    .....and you are back to denying that Nazi Germany was in control of 8-9 million Jews during the war. Of course, you can't even account for the 4 million you also conceded Nazi Germany controlled, and it is too much to hope you will even discuss the missing Jews from regimes allied to Germany.

    It is just the same old dance with you. As soon as you get pinned down you make misleading claims about your own posting history. The tactic is obvious - tire out anyone who disagrees with you and then claim 'victory' when they get bored. As soon as the argument starts up again you just post all the same BS again and force people to run through the same debate again. Then, when you get pinned down again, it is the same old denials and lies. Rinse, repeat.

    Of course, there is some value to this. it shows how utterly untrustworthy your claims are. You can't even tell the truth about your own posts, let alone historical events. And, of course, you can't provide any evidence to back up your claims so you have to dodge, weave & deceive. Anyone who isn't already an anti-semite or pathological conspiracy nut can clearly see how poorly based your arguments are - even you can't defend them.

    What it comes down to in the end is that you can't explain what happened to the millions of Jews the Nazis themselves knew were in Europe in 1941 and who came under their control during the course of WW2. The vast majority of them did not appear anywhere after WW2 and you can provide no evidence for their fate. In fact, you aren't even trying. It is basically an admission that you know they were killed by the Nazis & their allies.

    Oh, and I started reading this thread shortly after it was created. I have also observed your baseless, repetitive claims and dodgy sources on other threads. You aren't the first holocaust denier I've observed and you are nowhere near the cleverest or even the most obsessive. Same BS, different day.
     
  5. Grau

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    Firstly, you can show nowhere that I've denied that the holocaust happened.

    I, like the vast majority of people around the world(1), simply reject the inflated statistics and grotesque fantasies promulgated by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry(2) whose foundation rests of deliberate attempts to shock & deceive people with shrunken heads, fake "human skin lampshades", fake "human fat soap", phony homicidal "steam chambers", "recently invented vaporizers", electrified "Conveyor Belts of Death" and other outrageous props to market their macabre "product" to witless dupes.

    If the same fraudulent Holocaust Industry that attempted to deceive us with those lies, why wouldn't it be equally dishonest about statistics concerning "missing Jews"?

    Apparently you neither read nor understood my previous Posts or "Scott's" rebuttal of the unsupported OP.

    Now, out of desperation, you've resorted to paragraphs of factually flawed generalizations, baseless slander & misrepresentations of what I've already written & supported but can refute nothing I've said.

    You are welcome to believe in whatever perverted fantasies you chose, just don't expect rational & educated people to share your delusions.




    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only 54 percent of the world's population has heard of the Holocaust.

    This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

    Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED


    (2) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298
     
  6. Jazz

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    WRONG!!!
     
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    WRONG again!!!!
     
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    WRONG again!!!!
     
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    Disappear as in cease to exist. Your 'general accounting" was a single newspaper report and an almanac based on no actual data. But of course in the denialist fantasy these tiny bits of insignificance overwhelms the mountain range of evidence to support the accepted estimated casualties from all ww2 sources from all nations effected. You are incredibly lousy at this "fun with math" tactic.



    So quit with trying to weasel out of it now with yet more snotty semantic condescension. Your answer was placed in the dumpster of intellectually bankrupt revisionist nonsense long ago. Been at this for longer than you've probably been on this planet.
     
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    (from post #114)
    So you recognize that parts of the official story are bogus. Is that right?
     
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    No, the lampshade and soap stories are not part of the "official" story. They were rumors and became apocryphal, but NEVER part of the official narrative of actual dastardly deeds done. In fact the lampshade story was dismissed as bogus during Ilse Koch's trial.
     
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    I provided more of a general accounting (1) that there were no 4.2 million "missing Jews" than the OP who provided absolutely nothing to support his fantasy.
    Of course you'll believe any fiction that supports the long debunked standard holocaust narrative but you can't even explain why the drain to Auschwitz's phony homicidal gas chamber was tied into all of the surrounding structures and storm drain system.
    You are the one who claimed that Auschwitz's "homicidal gas chamber" was built as a "prototype" even though real gas chambers had already been designed and built around the world long before WW 2.
    Now that you've been educated about the drain system, you've become refreshingly silent on the topic.

    Where in this "mountain range of evidence" is there just one mention of "mass executions", "mass gassings" and / or a Final solution? (2)
    None of those fictions even exist in the intercepted German radio transmissions when the Germans were at their most candid because they thought that the lines were secure(3)

    You're right, there are "mountains of evidence", however not a single rock supports your fiction that the Germans systematically killed 5 - 6 million Jews some of whom were Nazis themselves and / or served as high ranking German military officers.
    Additionally, you mention extensive witness testimony but, like MSM, you ignore the innumerable eyewitnesses who contradict the standard holocaust narrative(4) and are shunned by the fraudulent, multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry.

    In the end, you've chosen to continue to believe ridiculous, left-over WW 2 propaganda myths because it fills some spiritual void and an unfortunate need to hate those who comprise the vast majority of people in the world(5) who now recognize that lingering Allied propaganda differs little from the communist & Nazi propaganda of long ago.


    (1) "Was there Really a Holocaust?"
    https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm

    EXCERPT "The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?"CONTINUED


    (2) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190


    (3) “THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE”
    https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt

    EXCERPT “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort—but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communications between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted.

    Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative.

    The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED


    (4) "Auschwitz Was NOT a 'Death Camp' - Holocaust Survivor Testimony"
    https://archive.org/details/AuschwitzWasNotAdeathCamp-HolocaustSurvivorTestimony


    (5) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only 54 percent of the world's population has heard of the Holocaust.

    This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

    Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
     
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    You're missing the point.

    The intent to deceive people with holo-horror stories with fraudulent narratives and fake props is as much alive now as it was back in the days of shrunken heads, fake, human skin lampshades, fake human fat soap, fictitious homicidal "steam chambers" and a "newly invented vaporizer" that could make people disappear.

    The motive to deceive gullible individuals whose only "education" about the holocaust comes from melodramatic Hollywood stories and left over WW 2 propaganda fictions is even greater today because thousands of holocaust frauds who profit from public speaking fees & easy reparations are being exposed more & more frequently.

    "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U
    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes"
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html

    EXCERPT "Unfortunately, despite all these examples, publishers are still wilfully selling suspect memoirs based on the Holocaust and the war.

    No doubt there will be more books of this type. With publishers fighting it out to sell the latest tale of World War II derring-do, or Holocaust misery, it seems unlikely this is a genre that will die out.

    Anybody reading these books should stop and ask themselves whether what they hold in their hands is, in fact, true." CONTINUED



    "Another “Holocaust survivor” exposed as a fraud"
    https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2010/05/19/another-holocaust-survivor-exposed-as-a-fraud/

    EXCERPT "In the recent news on the Internet, there are a lot of articles about Rosemarie Pence, who allegedly survived the Dachau concentration camp and went on to become an Olympic athlete. It has now been revealed that Rosemarie’s story is total fiction, but for years, people believed her and she earned fees for speaking to students in American schools.
    Even though it was obvious to anyone who knows anything about the Holocaust that Rosemarie’s story was fiction, it took five years or more before she was exposed as a fraud.

    The moral of this story is: Use your heads, people! If a story sounds unbelievable, it is most likely false. Don’t fall for every Holocaust survivor story that you hear."CONTINUED


     
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    O.k., dear Grau, here is the story of a Waffen SS Mann by the Name of Kurt Gerstein. I just finished reading the whole article and wonder, how you would react to it. My head and heart refuse to believe it! But he is German and belonged to the SS, that means something. If his story is true I am much surprised that he wasn't transferred or eliminated.
    I also find it highly unlikely that Hitler himself visited a concentration camp and did nothing to change the rules of treatment. He was always kind to children and would never have ordered nor tolerated that kind of treatment Gerstein describes. NEVER! It is said, there is no evidence Hitler visited the Concentration Camp.

    We Germans have to take all these horrible accusations lying down, while nobody raises a fuss about the America treatment of the Japanese and Vietnamese, or the decimation of the Palestinian people by the Zionist gangs. No, always the Germans get accused of whatever unspeakable crime they can come up with.
    Just yesterday I read about the German Ambassador to Iran who was appointed to head a group of three European countries... England, France and Germany to create an organization to enable trade with Iran without violating US sanctions. But no, can't be... Israel accuses him of being anti-Semitic and force him to resign.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-trade-vehicle-instex.560031/#post-1070862371

    Alright, on with the Gerstein story:
    Excerpt:
    One of the most horrifying testimonies from the horrors of the Holocaust was left by a conscience-stricken SS officer, Kurt Gerstein, who visited the death camps Belzec and Treblinka in August 1942 and witnessed the mass gassing of Jewish men, women and children. Gerstein was shocked by what he had seen. Yet, he realized that as a witness, his position was unique, and he was determined to expose what he knew to the world to stop the atrocities: "I was one of the handful of people who had seen every corner of the establishment, and certainly the only one to have visited it as an enemy of this gang of murderers ..."
    ....
    "I see everything! The mothers, their babies at the breast, the little naked children, the men and women, naked. They enter into the death chamber, pushed by the leather whips of the SS. Pack well, that is what the captain ordered. Seven to eight hundred persons on twenty-five square meters. More than half are children ..."

    When the doors closed, the diesel engine would not work but broke down while pumping its deadly carbon monoxide gas into the chamber. While mechanics worked to repair the diesel engine, the Jews had to await death, pressed body-to-body against one another. An SS officer, Wilhelm Pfannenstiel, looking through the glass peep hole in the door of the gas chamber, commented that the Jews were weeping "as they do in the synagogue."

    Finally after two hours, it stuttered to life. "Up till then people were alive in these chambers .. another 25 minutes went by. True, many were now dead. After 28 minutes, only a few were still alive. At last after 32 minutes, everyone was dead. Finally, all were dead like pillars of basalt, still erect, not having any place to fall", Kurt Gerstein later wrote.
    ....
    Before the corpses of the Jews were tossed into large trenches, they were searched for valuables in the form of gold teeth or gems or gold hidden in the vagina or rectum. (Imagine, someone digging around in a dead woman's vagina!!!) Gerstein was shown the processing of the dead: "With gold to the left - without gold to the right .. Dentists hammered out gold teeth, bridges and crowns. In the midst of them stood Captain Wirth. He was in his element, and showing me a large can full of teeth, he said: "See for yourself the weight of that gold! It's only from yesterday and the day before. You can't imagine what we find every day - dollars, diamonds, gold. You'll see for yourself!"

    Kurt Gerstein forced himself to watch the final process. The bodies were flung into trenches, each some hundred yards long, conveniently located near the gas chambers. He was told that the bodies would swell from gas after a few days, raising the mound as much as six to ten feet. Once the swelling subsided, the bodies would be piled on railway ties covered with diesel oil and burned to cinders.


    Keep reading here:
    http://www.auschwitz.dk/Gerstein.htm
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    Well, Jazz, you raised several issues in your Comment but I can only address the issue that is salient to the topic at hand: Kurt Gerstein's credibility.
    As you know, he was interrogated by the French after the war and they did not believe his claims. The official cause of his death was suicide prior to his scheduled execution but, of course, something more nefarious cannot be ruled out.
    At any rate, if he was not believed by the French, why should we believe his claims?

    His deep Christian beliefs of course conflicted with the ruling Nazi orthodoxy of the time and caused him to spend time in prison and work camps in the late 1930s which, I suspect, would further his anti Nazi sentiments.

    His strong Christian convictions and deep anti Nazi sentiments would certainly inspire him to eagerly recite the grotesque Allied propaganda narratives especially toward the end of the war when it became clear that Germany was losing.
    In other words, he seemed to be "feathering his own nest" for a post Nazi Europe and preferential treatment after Germany's fall.

    Additionally, what he claims to have happened simply could not have happened as he described it. Diesel engine fumes are not nearly as toxic as conventional engines and are so safe that they are even used in mining operations so it's very unlikely that the victims would die in 30 minutes in a less than airtight and remain upright after death

    Even less credible are his stories about mass cremations in pits which do not allow for air to circulate under the massive amounts of fuel required to burn the 800,000 bodies claimed to be at Treblinka.

    Common sense defeats the myths of burning 800,000 bodies in pits because the enormous amount of manpower & fuel required was simply not available and even then, extensive amounts of skeletal remains would still exist, today.

    Engineer Richard Krege & his team spent 3 weeks surveying all the areas claimed to be "mass graves" in the Treblinka guidebook and found absolutely no skeletal remains and / or teeth (1), (2)

    Historian, Christopher Browning, too, regards Gerstein's claims as "unquestionably problematic":

    EXCERPT "Historian Christopher Browning has written: "Many aspects of Gerstein's testimony are unquestionably problematic. ...[In making] statements, such as the height of the piles of shoes and clothing at Belzec and Treblinka, Gerstein himself is clearly the source of exaggeration. Gerstein also added grossly exaggerated claims about matters to which he was not an eyewitness, such as that a total of 25 million Jews and others were gassed." CONTINUED (3)

    Finally, I do not regard Kurt Gerstein's stories as those motivated by a conscience-stricken individual but rather as someone with a deep enmity for the Nazis who was willing to recite & even inflate the same Allied propaganda with the hope lenient treatment as Germany was losing the war.
    As it turned out, his delusion that the Allies were any more merciful than the Nazis proved to be misplaced.

    I regret that I was unable to address all of your concerns but I am attempting to stay as close to the topic of this thread as possible.


    (1) "No Bodies Found at Treblinka"
    http://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com/2014/01/no-bodies-found-at-treblinka.html


    (2) "Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves"
    https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n3p20_radar.html

    EXCERPT "A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, has found no evidence of mass graves there."CONTINUED


    (3) "Kurt Gerstein"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Gerstein
     
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    Thank you, Grau, for keeping a cool head, and I don't want to lead you down the wrong garden path! It might very well be that this Gerstein was in reality a victim himself, and his "eye-witness" reports were extracted under torture.
    Yet, since 1955, the overzealous German politicians, in order to please their bosses, made it mandatory that the German children were taught about the holocaust from the Gerstein reports.
    Now I understand much more!
     
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    Please watch the first minute of this video.

    Buchenwald - A Dumb Dumb Portrayal Of Evil - P1



    It looks like actual intent to deceive started the "Rumors" of the lampshades made of human skin. Please comment on what the video says.
     
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    Conservative Jewish Zionist Ben Hecht wrote Perfidy in which he made the following charge: "EUROPEAN JEWS WERE BETRAYED AND SENT TO THEIR DEATH BY THE ZIONISTS !"

    ''Ben Hecht is himself a Zionist, an ultra-Zionist, one can say. He all along was a deeply committed partisan of Jabotinski, the father of Zionist "Revisionism", the proponents of an ethnically cleansed Palestine. The Begins, Shamirs, Stern Group and other Zionist terrorist activists and mass killers come from the Jabotinski movement, with Ben Hecht's benediction.

    ... the Treason of the European Jews by the Zionist leadership, who had in mind the selection of a youngish elite to be sent to Palestine by the Germans in counterpart of the complicity to destroy the rest of the European Jews, too old, or too unfit, or too unable to colonize Palestine and rob the land from the stubborn Arabs who did not want to part with it, for some reasons. This trial, and other documents, of course, establish this fact : the Zionist viewed their fellow Jews as an embarassing cattle, that they wish the nazis would dispose of. This, the other Jews should know.''

    the entire book may be read here:

    http://aaargh.vho.org/fran/livres6/perfidy.pdf





    I do not dispute the charge that a Holocaust took place. On the contrary, nobody is more certain of it than I, having known several survivors of this terrible event. However, I am uncertain about the number of six million though without a doubt millions were killed even though these were not part of the war casualties but were atrocities committed outside of the conventions of war. If you read the book you will learn that Hecht (a conservative by the way) quotes from several Zionist Congress meetings in which they declared that they were willing to have as many as six million Jews sacrificed in order to have their Zionist state created:


    ''In the Zionist Congress of 1911, 22 years before Hitler came to power, and three years before World War I, Nordau said, "How dare the smooth talkers, the clever official blabbers, open their mouths and boast of progress. . . . Here they hold jubilant peace conferences in which they talk against war. . . . But the same righteous Governments, who are so nobly, industriously active to establish the eternal peace, are preparing, by their own confession, complete annihilation for six million people, and there is nobody, except the doomed themselves, to raise his voice in protest although this is a worse crime than any war . . ." Vladimir Jabotinsky, in 1936, declared: "It is not our task to establish in Palestine a home for selected people, not even a state for a small portion of our people. The aim of our efforts is to organize a systematic massive Jewish evacuation from all the countries in which they live . . ."







    Not my words, their words. And remember that once again I am quoting a conservative.
     
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    Thanks for some new fodder, Mr. Truth!



     
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    YW.

    As always, I stand for the TRUTH no matter how ugly it may be.

    Years ago I openly challenged liberal scholar and social commentator Irving Howe about this matter at the University of Minnesota in a conference at the Hillel Center. He denied Hecht's premise but could not put together a cohesive or credible refutation of that book. I challenged every Jewish scholar in that large room to read the book and have wondered over the years if any of them dared to touch it.

    There is no question that a Holocaust took place. But where did the 6 million figure come from? It came well before liberal Howe was born and did not come from historians but from Zionists before Israel was created. Whether anyone wishes to believe it or not, that remains an incontrovertible FACT.
     
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    sorry, bullshit is bullshit "intent to deceive"? BFD, not that there were many people who hated the scumbag nazi mass murderers, or who might wish them some ill will at the end of the war. That kind of crap has whole chapters devoted to it in the official historical narrative and does not in any way shape or form lessen the depravity of nazi genocide.
     
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    To sacrifice 6 million Jews to have a state for the Zionists, is quite revealing. Jews don't matter for the Zionists? Why do Jews and Zionists blend together so well, one can't tell them apart.
    Benjamin Freedman comes to mind.
    He said that the Zionists are actually Khazars who took the Jewish faith as their religion, apparently they were Godless people. I don't know what happened to their old country, Khazaria in Russia. They were driven out by some force and came to Eastern Europe, as far as Poland and Germany.

    Here is a nice article that explains some of these mysteries:

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/01/01/benjamin-freedman-exposed-the-khazarian-mafia/

    Excerpt:
    The Jews of the world, the Zionists and their co-religionists everywhere, are determined that they are going to once again use the United States to help them permanently retain Palestine as their foothold for their world government.
    Freedman exposed how a lot of people were pagans and how they hide behind the notion that they are God’s chosen to “build up” the puppet state of “Israel.”
    Before Vatican II the popes warned about the KM (Khasarian Mafia) in general but it is the KM using Free Masonry who now have infiltrated the Vatican and are now preparing the stage for the New World Order, which we can logically call the Antichrist.
     
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    Re:
    Since the figure of "6 million Jews" has been used over 150 times long before WW 2 to describe Jews in peril(1), (2) it is impossible to take literally as the number of Jewish individuals who perished through Nazi machinations.

    I suspect that the number is symbolic, has its roots in Talmudic teachings and was adopted by the fraudulent, for-profit Holocaust Industry as a convenient means to extract money from the post war German government.

    While it is regrettable that much of Western MSM recites this inflated number as fact to individuals gullible enough to rely on MSM, the vast majority of people around the world do not accept this and other inflated numbers and grotesque fantasies(3) as fact.



    (1) "167 newspaper and other references to "Six Million Jews" 1900-1945"
    http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/6Mx167.html
    EXCERPT

    1. 1900 - Stephen S. Wise, New York Times, June 11, 1900: "There are 6,000,000 living, bleeding, suffering arguments in favor of Zionism."
    2. 1902 - Encyclopaedia Britannica, 10th Edition, Vol. 25, 1902, page 482: "While there are in Russia and Rumania six millions of Jews who are being systematically degraded ..."
    3. 1902 - Samuel W. Goldstein, New York Times, November 27, 1902: "PLEA FOR ZIONISM ... In answer I would say: Does Dr. Silverman represent the 6,000,000 Jews in Russia, 300,000 in Roumania and the 1,000,000 in Galicia?"
    4. CONTINUED


    (2) "The “Six Million” Jewish “holocaust” Myth"
    https://goyimgazette.com/six-million-jewish-holocaust-myth/

    EXCERPT "The obsessive invocation of the cabalistic fable of “6,000,000 dead or dying Jews” dating back at least four decades prior to the events of WWII directly undermines and betrays the notion that 6,000,000 Jews perished in Europe between 1939-1945, as Jews have claimed. It was a lie the first time, and it is a lie today!"CONTINUED


    (3) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only 54 percent of the world's population has heard of the Holocaust.

    This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

    Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
     
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    The intent to deceive gullible individuals by the fraudulent, for profit Holocaust Industry is not limited to phony shrunken heads, fake "human skin lampshades" & fake "human fat soap".

    Every time a group of tourists is shown the Auschwitz 1 "homicidal gas chamber" or another fraudulent holocaust book, movie or speaking engagement is cranked out by another phony "holocaust survivor" (1), the intent to deceive not only remains, it has increased exponentially as a proven way to quick fame and easy money.

    Yes, the persecution of innocent individuals is depraved but fabricating outrageous lies about "homicidal steam chambers", "Conveyor Belts of Death"(2), "homicidal gas chambers", a "newly invented vaporizer" and other grisly fictions has only led most people in the world(3) to reject the bulk of the false, standard holocaust narrative.

    Finally, I'm still waiting for you to explain how the Auschwitz 1 morgue, aka "homicidal gas chamber" could have been designed & built as a "prototype" homicidal gas chamber if its drain is connected to the other buildings and overall storm drain system.



    (1) "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes"
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html

    EXCERPT "Unfortunately, despite all these examples, publishers are still wilfully selling suspect memoirs based on the Holocaust and the war.

    No doubt there will be more books of this type. With publishers fighting it out to sell the latest tale of World War II derring-do, or Holocaust misery, it seems unlikely this is a genre that will die out.

    Anybody reading these books should stop and ask themselves whether what they hold in their hands is, in fact, true." CONTINUED


    (2) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
    https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

    EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death.
    These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces.
    One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED


    (3) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/
     
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