Yes, I do remember the train story, however the individual was laying parallel to the tracks. If he had been laying perpendicular to the railroad rails, I suspect that the story would have had a different outcome. The brief story about the adventures of Avey simply does not sound credible & is replete with contradictions. How was Avey able to notify Lobethall's sister & receive cigarettes if not by an open mail system? Auschwitz, to the best of my knowledge did not have homicidal gas chambers but did have defumigation chambers to kill lice on clothes and mattresses. It makes no sense to train an inmate how to do a task and then let him perish after he has become proficient at that task. If "...nearly 3 million Jews were worked to death", where are their remains? I agree that the shoe story sounds a little unbelievable but Auschwitz had, among other things, a shoe repair shop which accounts for the pile of shoes. I certainly don't think that any productive work force could be able to work effectively while barefoot and the Germans needed & valued skilled workers. I do not recall that the "death march" was mandatory but, rather, an effort to avoid having to deal with the more vicious Soviets. In other words, the inmates made the choice to leave with the Germans rather than be "liberated" by Soviet rapists. Finally, I, too, am glad that you survived the relentless Allied bombing of civilian populations.
No, all that had to happen was for him to wake up and lift his head... it would have been over instantly. I'm thankful he is alive and doing well. I guess, it was permitted to send small parcels to the British POWS, who were treated according to the Geneva Convention. The new thing now is that Auschwitz was not an extermination camp, Birkenau was. Apparently, a little old farmhouse was used for gassing people. That's what I read a few years ago. With time, more stuff gets discovered that changes the previously solid facts. For instance, the number of killed Jews in Auschwitz alone has gone down drastically. There are many things that don't make sense to us 3/4 of a century later. One would have to have been there at the time to know for sure how, where and what actually happened. The Germans are very efficient and thorough people and would have tried to get the best and most out of their slave laborers at that desperate time. That is a question for the other side to answer. If they claim 3 million Jews were worked to death, then they might also know where they were buried, or if incinerated, which is more likely, where are the bones, teeth and ashes? I don't know a thing about it and don't want to get into it... it would be at best just guesswork. I seem to have read somewhere they were issued work-shoes along with their striped uniforms. In the big picture, this is just a little amusing story. It could very well be that Lobethall wanted some extra good shoe soles, perhaps he planned to escape and would have to be able to walk through rough terrain for many kilometers. Who knows what his thoughts were? Yes, we know about that from the famous Elie Wiesel. He must have kicked himself afterwards for telling the world his escape story. Wasn't his father also part of the party that decided to walked away with the German guards, rather than waiting for the Russian arrival? That they had to walk, yes, that must have been grueling, but there was no other transportation available. I would have walked, too. I, too, am happy you survived the Vietnam War, dear Grau!! I'm also happy Germany was allowed to live and is still on the map as a vital country now. Also, it is good to know that most Jews survived their ordeal and managed to now have their very own country, where they can feel safe and happy. Not to forget our much hated Hitler who started a revolution by elevating the German working class from slaves to properly paid, housed and valued workers. That trend has survived the destruction of the Nazis! It has actually spread to other countries as well. Thank you, Adolf Hitler, you gave my parents hope and dignity! Last, but not least, I thank the Americans for bringing us the Chewing Gum!! It has helped in satisfying the hunger pangs and cleaned our teeth and freshened our breath at the same time. Hallelujah! It is great to be alive today in a free and democratic country!
Re: As I understand the standard holocaust narrative, hundreds of people were supposed to have been gassed at one time so I don't see how a little old farmhouse could possibly have served as a homicidal gas chamber. The following video offers very compelling reasons why there could not have been homicidal gas chambers. "The Jewish Gas Chamber Hoax" https://archive.org/details/TheJewishGasChamberHoax Please let me know what you think of it.
I watched the whole thing! It is quite impressive. One has to wonder, are these the people who supply the undeniable truth? Are their testimonies the main support for Germany's crime and guilt? Wouldn't you expect much more substantial, solid evidence, that would prove without a shadow of a doubt that the Germans gassed 6 or 1 million Jews? Of course, they say they have Hoess' confession!! Were they able to squeeze proof of the holocaust out of Eichmann? I still need to read his story. Now, in contrast, read the German holocaust: Buried Alive Screaming In The Night: German POW Survivors Describe Eisenhower’s Extermination Camps After WWII Had Ended https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2018...ers-extermination-camps-after-wwii-had-ended/ I just found this website! Never before have I read these individual stories. Do yourself the favor, dear Gray, and read the stories. You need to know the truth about your country! Oh, my God, I could lie down and cry. My brother was only 19 years old. Unfortunately, Germany never took the Americans to Nuremberg for their crime. It is rather hushed up, and digging in the crime scene area is forbidden. After 75 years of being occupied, Germany has no chance to even complain. After all this reading I need to take a rest. Will be back later.
I found the little old farmhouse, it is actually 2 houses, a white one and a red one, now called bunker1 and 2. https://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/Birkenau03.html
Thanks for the link but I still don't see how "hundreds of people" could have been gassed at one time in such small, primitive, old structures that are unlikely to have the electricity to run fans & heating elements needed to heat, introduce the gas & then exhaust the same toxic gas. Also, running water would have been required to clean up after each "gassing" because victims of cyanide poisoning frequently lose control of their bowels upon death. I suppose that the Germans could have used generators to run the fans and employed trucks outfitted to pump water for the clean up the post gassing mess but, then, any old ruin of a building could be claimed to have been a homicidal gas chamber by tortured & frightened witnesses whose testimony is at least questionable. Finally, based on what I're read, seen & heard, I simply don't think that the Germans used homicidal gas chambers at any of their work camps. I wouldn't be surprised if some overzealous Kapos stuffed a few people into defumigation chambers from time to time but I don't see any way that "thousands" of people could have been gassed daily on a systematic & industrialized manner.
Hi and hello! It is confusing. Don't feel like wasting more time on that. The past is gone and the world has new problems.
Please don't feel like you need to respond to this if you truly "Don't feel like wasting more time on that" . It's true that: "The past is gone and the world has new problems." Among those new problems is the push by the Holocaust Industry for mandatory holocaust education along the lines of the fraudulent, standard holocaust narrative (FSHN). In other words, schoolchildren are having the FSHN and the same, old Allied propaganda narrative poured into their impressionable heads at an early age rather than being told the truth or even both sides of the same events. But this thread is about allegedly "missing Jews" even though the OP has failed to support his assertion that there were, in fact, any missing Jews with any credible source. Firstly, not all Jews were were rounded up and interred in work camps(1). Secondly, about 150,000 full and mixed Jews served in Hitler's military with many Jews rising to the highest ranks and receiving Germany's highest honors(2). Thirdly, the World Almanac reflects a growth in the number of Jews in the world from 1933 to 1948(3) Finally, no one I know disputes the fact that many of Europe's Jews were rounded up, lost their property, interred into work camps were many were treated cruelly & some, even executed. The facts, however, simply do not bear out the fraudulent standard holocaust narrative promulgated by those individuals who have, apparently, given up trying to support inflated casualty numbers and fatuous nonsense about "mass gassings" and other grisly fables. (1) "A Factual Appraisal Of The ‘Holocaust’ By The Red Cross" https://rafzen.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/jewish-population-numbers-in-1933-and-1948/ The Jews And The Concentration Camps: No Evidence Of Genocide EXCERPT "Not only did large numbers of the three million or so European Jews avoid internment altogether, but the emigration of Jews continued throughout the war, generally by way of Hungary, Rumania and Turkey." CONTINUED (2) "AS MANY AS 150000 JEWS SERVED IN HITLERS MILITARY" https://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/as-many-as-150000-jews-served-in-hitlers-military/ EXCERPT "As many as 150000 Jews served in Hitlers military, some with the Nazi leader's explicit consent, according to a U.S. historian who has interviewed hundreds of former soldiers. Bryan Mark Rigg, history professor at the American Military University in Virginia, told Reuters on Thursday that the issue of soldiers of partial Jewish descent was long a somewhat taboo subject, overlooked by most academics as it threw up thorny questions."CONTINUED (3) "JEWISH POPULATION NUMBERS IN 1933 AND 1948." https://rafzen.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/jewish-population-numbers-in-1933-and-1948/ EXCERPTS "In other words, according to the World Almanac the world population of Jews increased (!) between 1933 and 1948 from 15,315,000 to 15,753,000. If the German government under Adolf Hitler had – as alleged – murdered six million Jews those losses should have been reflected in the Jewish population numbers quoted in the World Almanac."CONTINUED
That has already been done here in Ontario for years. I don't know how it is in other provinces. I found a nice article... B'nai Brith Canada Brings Holocaust Survivor to Speak to Ontario Students For many students, this was the first time in their lives they had the opportunity to hear from a Holocaust survivor. As one teacher noted, he never even had a Jewish student in his 17 years of teaching at the Markham high school. Only half of the students in attendance had heard of the holocaust. For at least half an hour, Kurtz valiantly recounted the unspeakable horrors she experienced during the Holocaust. She delved into detail the one-too-many life or death incidents she faced while living in the Warsaw Ghetto, to surviving the terrors of the Madjanek and Skarzysko concentration camps. Kurtz was liberated by Soviet troops and worked in Poland before making her way to Israel and eventually Canada. She concluded her remarks with strong declarations to the students, telling them to always stand up for their rights, listen to their parents and value education. https://www.bnaibrith.ca/b_nai_brith_brings_holocaust_survivor_to_speak_to_ontario_high_school ----- That is good advice!! I guess, Mrs. Kurtz must have been a small child under 10 years old at the time of the holocaust, judging by her looks. Those were tough years for the Jewish children, but also for the Polish and later on the German. Never again! Wars should be forbidden! But tell that to the Americans and Israelis!
Pretty sure its a she, but yes, based on posting history she believes that & a great deal more along similar lines.
All right. Twenty-five years ago, in 1996, a lawsuit was filed in Great Britain. It was a libel lawsuit filed against an historian and her publisher. Deborah Lipstadt is a renowned historian. Her field of study is anti-Semitism. And a few years before this lawsuit was filed, she had in fact published a book on anti-Semitism. It was specifically about this weirdly accelerating phenomenon on the far right where people were denying that the Holocaust had ever happened, denying that the Nazis had actually killed millions of Jewish people during World War II. She wrote a seminal book about that. And one of the most prominent promoters of that myth, a guy who tried not to look the part, he didn`t just stomp around with a shaved head and jackboots giving Nazi salutes. He wasn`t that kind of a guy. He was a guy who took a pseudo academic, fake intellectual approach to his Holocaust denial. He had a star role in her book and he sued her for libel, saying it was unfair of her to describe his scholarship the way she did, unfair for her to describe his scholarship as shoddy. He said in fact libelous under British law for her to have said that he deliberately skewed the known evidence about the Holocaust, he knowingly, for one, used forged materials. He sued her over those claims that she made about him in her book. And they went to trial. And it ended up being a remarkable thing, that trial, because in that libel trial, she and her legal team literally had to prove the Holocaust happened. Over the course of ten super intense weeks, they systematically went through all the fake pseudo scholarship and all the conspiracy theories and all the forged junk, all the garbage promoted by these Holocaust deniers on the far right, and they proved it all wrong in court. They proved that the Holocaust happened and these far right Nazi sympathizers were lying about it for political reasons. The Holocaust denier guy, the guy who had brought the lawsuit, brought it specifically in England so his claims could have this kind of a trial, because he was so sure he would be vindicated and everybody would have to believe him now, he lost the case, he lost in spectacular fashion. The ruling in the case was more than 300 pages long. In the ruling, the judge summarized the evidence that yes, the Holocaust happened, including the gas chambers and all the rest of it, and yes, it was the Nazis who did it, and yes, the Holocaust deniers like this guy were deliberately lying about the Holocaust, and their deliberate lies about were in service of their own racist and neo-Nazi sympathies and associations. I mean, it was a complete destruction of his argument, and his false claims. Deborah Lipstadt actually wrote a book about the trial itself, called "History On Trial", very famous book. It became a very good movie not that long ago. But the Holocaust denier guy himself, he appealed the ruling after he lost. He lost the appeal as well, unanimously. He was then in the end obliged to pay all of the costs associated with this lengthy trial. He himself had brought this lawsuit and then he had lost every single aspect of it. So he was ascribed responsibility for paying all the legal fees on both sides.
The truthfulness of the fraudulent holocaust narrative is not determined a courtroom located in one of WW 2's victor nations decades after a historic event. It is determined by tangible facts and the facts are that David Irving has forgotten more about WW 2 and the holocaust than holocaustian cheerleader D. Lipstadt will ever know. Regarding the faux "trial", Irving only lost because he, a genuine historian, was up against a multi million dollar battery of multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry lawyers who prohibited Lipstadt from opening her mouth during the entire trial. Lipstadt was prohibited from speaking by her multimillion dollar legal team because Irving would have immediately exposed her as the heavily funded, fame hungry fraud she is. Therefore, the intellectual lilliputian, Lipstadt, didn't win anything; money, a blatantly biased MSM and a politically motivated judge determined the outcome of the "trial". If you would like to discuss facts about the holocaust itself, I sincerely hope you will address the facts I presented in my Post # 2586 in the thread "About the Holocaust" http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-104#post-1073041629 No one either can or will respond to facts I've presented that prove that the standard holocaust narrative is perhaps the most fraudulent conspiracy theory in recent history. I look forward to your response. Thanks,
My father-in-law fought the Nazis in WW2 and he SAW the death camps, mass graves, starved and emaciated people, and SPOKE to Jews and non-Jews who had direct experience with it. Maybe you think he was paid to lie to me and his daughter.
Most genuine combat Veterans do not regale others with the horrors of war and I've lost track of gullible holocaustians whose dog-catcher's next door neighbor's uncle "SAW" the carefully fabricated props constructed by the fledgling Holocaust Industry, America's OWI*, and Hollywood's propaganda industry. Did your father-in-law also SEE the other fabricated propaganda props like the "human skin pocketbooks", shrunken heads, "human fat soap", "human skin lampshades"? What most American G.I.s saw was a destroyed, raped and plundered nation defeated primarily by the Communists. Comprising most of the graves on display were the bodies of dead German POWs and murdered German civilians that were shipped in by Eisenhower & the OWI and used to supplement the dead work camp victims who died of disease. Those inmates who died of starvation ate well(1) until Germany's civilian infrastructure was destroyed and everyone in Germany was starving and soon to suffer more. At any rate, the German run work camps under normal conditions were luxurious compared to Eisenhower's real death camps(2) which had no shelter, no medical care, no food and Eisenhower who had a genocidal hate for all Germans(3) ordered anyone caught feeding the Germans to be shot. Re: Unless your father-in-law was fluent in German, Polish, Russian etc, he didn't actually speak to anyone and only knows what the OWI etc wanted him to know & recite. On the other hand, I am fluent in German, worked, studied and lived in what was W. Germany in the early-mid 1970s. Over the decades, I've lived and / or worked with holocaust survivors, German WW 2 Veterans, Allied WW 2 Veterans, Russians and countless Germans who survived the murderous fire bombing of their homes and post War Allied genocide (4). Not one of them knew or saw any evidence of a genocidal German agenda, homicidal gas chambers or any other fantasies fabricated by the OWI, the Holocaust Industry or its complicit MSM. A great many American G.I.s like to demonize the Germans simply because in the calm of post War analysis, they were better soldiers(5). Your father-in-law seems like no exception and probably wouldn't be around to spin his grisly yarns if the Communists hadn't worn Germany down long before D-Day. * OWI: Office of War Information: America's own superb propaganda ministry (You don't really believe that only the "other" side engaged in the extensive use of propaganda, do you? (1) “Allied Forensic Autopsies Confirm Disease, Not Gas” https://20thcenturytruth.wordpress.com/allied-forensic-autopsies-confirm-disease-not-gas/ EXCERPT “Dr. Russell Barton further testified that on entering the camp he had credited stories of deliberate starvation but decided such stories were untrue after inspecting the well equipped kitchens and the meticulously maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked and dispensed each day. Despite noisily publicised claims and widespread popular notions to the contrary, no researcher has ever been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the German camps.” CONTINUED (2) “Eisenhower’s Rhineland Meadow Extermination Camps” https://zionistnarrative.wordpress.com/2018/01/01/eisenhowers-rhineland-meadow-extermination-camps/ EXCERPT "Eisenhower’s Death Camps are yet another example of untaught, and therefore unknown extermination of the Germans at the end of WWII. The conditions the German men, women, and even children were detained under was a deliberate policy of extermination that was committed against the surrendered German forces by the Allies, in post-war Germany (Rheinwiesenlager)."CONTINUED (3) “God, I hate the Germans...” — Dwight D. Eisenhower https://quotefancy.com/quote/796826/Dwight-D-Eisenhower-God-I-hate-the-Germans (4) "Crimes and Mercies: The Fate of German Civilians Under Allied Occupation, 1944 1950 Revised Edition" https://www.amazon.com/Crimes-Mercies-German-Civilians-Occupation/dp/0889225672 EXCERPT "More than 9 million Germans died as a result of deliberate Allied starvation and expulsion policies after World War II—one quarter of the country was annexed, and about 15 million people expelled in the largest act of ethnic cleansing the world has ever known. Over 2 million of these alone, including countless children, died on the road or in concentration camps in Poland and elsewhere. That these deaths occurred at all is still being denied by Western governments." CONTINUED (5) "Their Wehrmacht Was Better Than Our Army - The Washington Post" https://www.washingtonpost.com/...better...army/0b2cfe73-68f4-4bc3-a62d- 7626f6382dbd/ EXCERPT " "On a man for man basis, German ground soldiers consistently inflicted casualties at about a 50 percent higher rate than they incurred from the opposing British and American ... The inescapable truth is that Hitler's Wehrmacht was the outstanding fighting force of World War II, one of the greatest in history."CONTINUED
So you're saying you're arrogant enough to judge a man you never knew nor heard of and whom I knew well. You're really something.
"HERE COMES THE SLANDER" Since you can't refute the facts I've presented, your only course of action is to slander me as "arrogant" & "... really something". So, the search goes on. I still can't find anyone who actually believes the fraudulent holocaust narrative who can disprove the fact that it is any more than perhaps the most egregious conspiracy theory in modern history. Briefly put, blaming the Germans for the condition of their normally well run work camps (1) at the end of the war and after the Allies did all they could to destroy Germany's ability to resupply them(2) is as hypocritical as it is moronic. I am not surprised that you know nothing about Eisenhower's true death camps, the lethal French, post war slave labor camps, the deadly British internment camps, the Soviet gulags since the victors write the history. I never knew your father-in-law but I do know something about combat Veterans because I am one and have known countless others who rarely ever talk about their traumatizing experiences. Therefore, my B.S. detector goes off when I hear of someone casually reciting his war stories to impressionable young minds. What your F-i-L claimed he saw does nothing to validate the fraudulent holocaust narrative about a genocidal German agenda, "6 million Jews killed", homicidal gas chambers, deliberate starvation etc. He simply saw dead bodies that could have been German POWs or any nationalities and typhus victims that were plentiful throughout Europe. You mentioned that he spoke to some of the inmates but unless he spoke German, Polish, Russian etc, how could he understand what they had to say? Was he fluent in any other language commonly spoken in Europe? Finally, this thread is not about you, me or your F-i-L, it is about "missing Jews" but according to Jewish sources, the world's Jewish population grew over the war years (3). (1) "HOLOCAUST DEPROGRAMMING COURSE" http://radiochristianity.com/holocaust-deprogramming-course/ (2) "RED CROSS DENIES HOLOCAUST!: 1948 ICRC Report: No Evidence Of Genocide, Gas Chambers Or Systematic Extermination Of Jews. Most Deaths Caused By “Barbarous Bombing Of Civilian Germany By the U.S and U.K. Which Is A War Crime!” – ICRC PDF Here. UPDATE: In 2006, 58 Years Later, The ICRC Changed Their Story." https://truedemocracyparty.net/2020...bombing-of-civilian-germany-by-the-u-s-and-u/ EXCERPT “In 1947 The International Committee Of The Red Cross launched a Full Investigation into the question of a Holocaust of Jews in German Controlled Concentration Camps during World War 2. They found No Evidence Of Genocide, Gas Chambers Or Systematic Extermination Of Jews, and blamed most of the deaths on the “Barbarous Bombing Of Civilian Transportation Infrastructure in Germany By the U.S and U.K., which led to mass starvation, Typhus, and Death of the Civilian Population and in the Labor Camps which couldn’t get food, Medicine or any supplies at all. They called it a War Crime!” CONTINUED (3) "Was there Really a Holocaust?" https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm EXCERPT "The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?"CONTINUED
