Where are the trans folks opposing sexualization of kids?

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  1. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Right here!



    Is Kitty Demure just the tip of the iceberg on this? I expect trans people will more and more be 'coming out' against the exposure of children to their culture (and the resulting perception of their culture as pedophilic).

    But maybe this is just a fluke. What do you think?
     
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    Virtually no one supports pedophiles, most people believe they should be permanently removed from society if they harm a child.

    The only people trying to attach them to the LGBT community do so out of agenda and propaganda only.
    Not based on evidence.

    That said, I don’t believe children being exposed to trans people harms them.
    It is sad when gay and trans people feel forced to distance themselves from children just because of the narrative that bigots have pushed — just due to optics.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    None of that addresses anything I said or that was discussed in the video...

    It almost seems like you feel compelled to comment, but don't want to actuallu discuss the specific topic.

    For starters, no one accused any 'support' of or for pedophiles. Kitty obviously doesnt want to be associated with them, and I only suggested that inserting children into drag culture would result in the perception of pedophilia, something I believe Kitty at least suggested in the video as well.

    So, where are you getting 'supports pedophiles' from?
     
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    here we go again with false statements

    research helps and one must look to the population of those who engage in gay sex compared with those who do not. The proclivity to pedophilia among homosexuals is much greater than heterosexuals

    http://www.bpnews.net/14145/homosexuals-despite-the-assertions-more-likely-to-commit-sexual-abuse

    "However, Reisman also cited a past study by Able that found that 150 boys are abused on average by a male homosexual offender, compared to 19.8 girls per heterosexual offender"
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ”exposure of children to their culture (and the resulting perception of their culture as pedophilic)” think real hard. I believe in you! 2+2=?
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Except the vast majority of the cases in your study are heterosexual by identification — married to a woman, oftentimes with children of their own. So going after gay men or drag queens will have no effect... But nice attempt!
     
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    Perception being the key word. Kitty, a self described drag queen, seems to be of the impression that children being involved in the drag culture will create the perception of that culture being pedophillic, as, according to Kitty, again, a self described drag queen, that culture is very sexual, and as such, not for kids.

    For clarity, perception of course =\= reality, but is still of course an important dynamic to consider.

    What do you think of Kitty's worry that the drag culture will be increasingly perceived as pedophillic if children continue to be led to be involved in it? Do you perhaps think Kitty the self described drag queen is out of touch with drag queen culture? If so, explain why...
     
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    11, 10, or 4 depending on context.
     
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    Agreed. For the most part, pedophiles and hebophiles have no specific gender preference. Their victims are more often based on opportunity than preference. Most past studies have made an assumption based upon upon victim nor actually sexuality.
     
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    Any idea where the drag queen in the video is coming from then?
     
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    Then why does NAMBLA stand for "man-boy love association"? Why not man-girl? Why not adult-child?
     
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    There is absolutely not a shortage of heretosexuals that are pedophiles...Priest, coaches etc, etc. Yet all you can muster the fortitude on the issue is to claim that crossdressers are pedophiles and you infer they all are.
     
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    NAMBLA stands for "Man-Boy Love Association" because that's what it stands for. Perhaps what you meant to ask is why is there a group which advocates for man and boy relationships but not man-girl/adult-child. In which case, that is an irrelevant question.
     
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    You clearly missed @modernpaladin's use of the word "perception."
     
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    Propaganda.
    There is certainly the narrative pushed by many anti-gay / conservative outlets that drag queens are interested in children but I have seen zero factual evidence or study to suggest such.
     
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    Propaganda against himself?

    When he spoke of "harm" he didn't specify harm by a pedophile drag queen. He mainly spoke about the sexualisation factor - and "filth" factor.
     
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    First note the use of the word "most". Second, IIRC, NAMBLA members are attracted to closer to the teen years, which would make them hebophiles and ephebphiles (spelling may be off), not pedophiles. The conditions are different from each other. As noted with the use of the word "most", NAMBLA is a highly visible minority of those who are attracted to minors, giving them a disproportionate semblance of the whole.
     
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    Absolutely, I grew up with the belief that all gay men had HIV and that it was sent by god to destroy ******s. Did quite a number on me emotionally until I realized it was just bigotry.

    Most drag queens that I have encountered were the opposite of sexual, they dress extremely flamboyantly in costume and makeup.

    I don’t know what he was referring to about the ‘filth’ factor. Care to expand on this one?
     
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    Thankfully NAMBLA has almost dissolved having less than a dozen members in 2014.
     
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    your own link shows you that the overwhelming vast majority of pedophiles are heterosexuals. And the vast majority of males who abuse boys are heterosexual.
     
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    So then I imagine that you didn't express your homosexuality much, perhaps maybe even up until you left home.
     
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    I still don’t “express” my homosexuality. I just am. No gay bars, no gay pride events, no participation in gay anything really besides my partner.

    I am just looking for equality and to not have every bigot calling me (or implying that I am) a pedophile because I am attracted to adult men
     
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    I did neither. I said 'perceive' as in to be seen by others as, including when those others are wrong. And Im merely agreeing with the crossdresser in the video. Did you watch? What do you think of what Kitty said?
     
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    same-sex-sex = homosexual sex. It is not heterosexual
     
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    Which has nothing to do with sexuality. Plenty of straight people within the porn industry will have homosexual sex without being sexually attracted to the one they are having sex with. Being heterosexual does not automatically mean a repulsion to engaging in homosexual activity.
     
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