Where are the trans folks opposing sexualization of kids?

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  1. cd8ed

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    We have gone over this numerous times only for you to vanish from the thread.

    Pedophilia is not typically an act of being attracted to the sex of the child and most of the perpetrators identify as heterosexual.
    So banning people that identify as homosexual, trans, etc is nothing but pandering to the animosity coming from “conservatives”.
     
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    do you agree or disagree that engaging in sex with same-sex partners is homosexual sex?

    the majority of pedophilia cases are homosexual sex.

    With the population of homosexuals being a small % of the entire population; the proclivity of pedophilia among those who engage in homosexual-sex is quite high.

    Numbers do not lie. Word soup is the only line of defense that the homosexual advocates have. I guess it comes down to what we think the meaning of "is" is

     
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    Homosexuals and those who engage in homosexual activity are two different groups, with the later being the larger. Homosexual activity occurs in prisons among heterosexual men, either by force or out of convience. It does not affect their attractions.
     
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    Child rape is not heterosexual or homosexual and like @Maquiscat said above, homosexual activity is not the same as homosexual attraction.

    Double false: The majority of pedophiles are heterosexuals and the majority of abuses are against little girls

    We have gone over this but I know it ruins your anti-gay narrative so you have to accidentally forget it.
    You attempted to use men who self identify as homosexual to arrive at the percentage of the population that is gay but then ignore the percentage of men who identify as heterosexual that rape children to also label them as gay — skewing both numbers to suit your narrative.

    Numbers do not lie, but bigots infer those numbers fraudulently to justify their hate.

    Those numbers state that the overwhelming majority of men that abuse children are heterosexual white males that are friends or family of the victim.
     
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    You mean like plenty of straight people can have heterosexual sex without being sexually attracted to the one they are having sex with?

    How can you be so sure?
     
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    this has been repeatedly proven false every time you've made the argument.
     
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    No he is correct. Sex between two people of the same physical sex/gender is homosexual sex. That does not mean the ones participating in the homosexual activity are themselves homosexuals. One can be heterosexual and engage in homosexual activity. There is neither a mutual exclusively nor a mutual inclusivity present. One is an orientation, and the other a physical act. They are independent of each other.
     
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    nope. every time he makes that argument it is refuted. The overwhelming vast majority of pedophiles are heterosexual. The vast majority of male pedophiles whos victims are boys, are heterosexuals
     
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    The statement:
    is 100% factual and true. What is not true is his assertion that engaging in homosexual activity makes one of the homosexual orientation. If your intent was to note that his statement did not prove his overall assertion, you were unclear. The rest of us who responded specified that his otherwise true statement did not hold up as an argument for his assertion.
     
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    the argument he is making, and made in a subsequent post is that the majority of pedophiles are homosexuals. That is demonstrably false, and what I was pointing out.
     
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    I do agree with that. You just didn't make that clear initially and seemed to be claiming a singular statement that was true as false, not saying it's application to another argument as false.
     
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    and a vegan is still a vegan if they eat meat???????????? Do you actually believe your own spin?
     
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    Jesus CHRIST that guy makes an UGLY woman

    I can't help but sort of agree with him as to this being bad for the LGBTQ community. I don't think it bothers kids. The question to me is why are Queens doing it? No, I don't think it's because they are attracted to kids but there is a big premium to them in being "hip"
     
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    False analogy. Vegan is a choice, an action. It is nowhere akin to an orientation. Even a disorder such as kleptomania is closer to an orientation in that they are both innate traits.

    The type of sex you engage in, even whether or not you engage in sex at all, is a choice. A person can be heterosexual and still choose to not engage in sex ever. That won't stop them from being attracted to one gender or the other. The act is separate from the attraction. Simple fact.
     
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    What does this life experience have to do with propaganda?

    I can't expand on this because I'm not entirely sure what he's talking about. Presumably he means SEXUAL filth (or something.)
     
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    Well then?
     
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    They have to team up with NAMGLA to rent a mini-bus.
     
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    I am not sure what the question is?
     
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    So do you suppose that this drag man's opinion is formed because he was indoctrinated?
     
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    I have no idea where his narrative comes from, it is possible however.
    He also could have life experiences that are vastly different from my own.

    However, I have seen no evidence that drag queens are an elevated danger to children, statistically; his comments comparing drag queens (which are typically overdressed and exaggerated) to porn stars and strippers further confuse me especially when discussing them reading to children.

    Once he jumps from drag queen story hour — which I have no issues with as long as they are properly vetted — to taking children to bars, I agree however.
     
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    Is that what he was saying though? I didn't hear him say that.

    Have you seen a drag performance? I haven't, so I don't know what it involves, but you seem to know enough about it to say that it has no resemblance to porn or stripping. I can only imagine that some drag performances involve one or two items of clothing being removed.

    You have no issues with drag queen story hour, but do you understand the purpose of it?
     
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    That is the impression I got from the op, not the video specifically.

    I have been to quite a few when I was in my late teens and early 20’s, pretty much married and boring now and more focused on growing my business... Yes, sometimes a jacket or something is removed and yes sometimes they have some adult themed performances (no nudity though) but it is rare. The drag queens going to read books to children however did not behave this way. They were in character.

    In general story time is to entertain children, drag queens are performers. I am sure there is a level of making the community visible and attempting to make children — and potentially their parents — see that much of the propaganda is false. Reducing stigma and hate is a noble pursuit imo.

    Why do you believe the right is so up in arms (death threats have been issued) about the events outside of some of them not being properly vetted — which I agree is an issue with anyone that works around children.
     
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    Wait, what is the "propaganda" aimed at drag queens?

    I think that some of them are probably jumping to conclusions, thinking that it's part of some sort of devious, evil agenda to sexualise kids or something. Although to be fair, whatever the agenda is doesn't appear to be obvious. For others like myself, it's that it's just a little weird having a ridiculous looking human being reading to kids and it seems possible that it may be a bit confronting for a kid, not knowing if it is a man or a woman. True, it's not going to do any permanent psychological damage, but it just all seems so pointless and not worth even the smallest negative consequence.
     

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