Where are the witnesses?

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  1. genericBob

    genericBob New Member

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    isn't that special.......

    What sort of explosive was used
    is a Huge factor here, do we think
    conventional dynamite, or atom-bombs?
    C4 on steroids, special military grade super
    secret explosives that the civilians don't know about?
    We can clearly see WHAT was done, the how it was
    done leads to all sorts of speculation and I'm not going
    there. For anyone who cares to consult the experts,
    do a bit of a research project, check with your friendly
    local math professor and ask about the science of
    probabilities, its real and there are people who make
    their living calculating odds of things happening.
    they work for insurance companies & also a host
    of manufacturing outfits, calculating things like
    predicted mean time between failures.
    It has a very solid scientific foundation to say
    that the odds are very heavily against total destruction
    in the case of structural failure of a steel framed skyscraper.
    The most likely out-come, would be for the building to have
    been damaged, but not destroyed.

    Also, in the case of total destruction, this is a trigger for
    investigation, fire departments & police instigate investigations in cases of complete destruction. What happened on 9/11?
     
  2. EggKiller

    EggKiller Well-Known Member

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    You say you don't want to speculate when all you've done is speculate.
    I won't speculate why.

    PS structural failure means structural failure, not structural damage. That's not speculation.
     
  3. genericBob

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    it is not speculation
    to know that WTC1,2 & 7 were completely destroyed.
    it is NOT speculation
    to know that WTC7 descended for 2.25 sec at free fall acceleration.
    it is NOT speculation
    to know that the least likely out-come of the events of 9/11/2001 would be the total destruction of WTC 1,2 & 7

    Yes, I ran a tangent of speculation
    talking about C4 on steroids, .... oh well,
     
  4. Hannibal

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    Define 'completely destroyed'. You've been shown that parts of the buildings, even people survived the collapses.
     
  5. EggKiller

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    I've never understood the truthers obsession with free fall speed. Once the falling mass is great enough to overcome the structure below the rate of decline will be the same wether explosives caused the collapse or structural failure did.
    I've heard these strange arguments about resistance slowing the fall. That only happens for a short period of time in the initial fall until the top mass picks up steam and weight as it descends. Very quickly the accumulating mass will overcome the structures ability to resist. At that point resistance is a zero sum gain not even noticeable to the accelerating, accumulating mass crushing the collapsing structure.

    A prime example. Driving down the highway a bug hits my windshield? The impact does not slow the car. Same thing with a bird. Never had the experience but I'd be willing to bet an average deer wouldn't slow the car enough to be perceptible.

    Anyway that's my take on that. I'm sure you have a YouTube scientist that can explain why the fly stops the car dead in its tracks.
     
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    These people need to study how martial artists traditionally break those large stacks of ice blocks to comprehend that all you are really breaking is the first one so that it will in turn break the next one beneath it and then so that they will combine weight and force to continue breaking the ones farther down in the stack. The key to this is that each layer of ice is separated from the next layer by spacers. Were the block instead a three foot tall mass of solid ice then the Arnold Schwarzenegger himself in his Mr. Olympia prime could't break it apart with a sledgehammer. But if you take the same amount of accumulated mass and separate each layer with a shim of the correct thickness, then Bob's your uncle.
     
  7. genericBob

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    Right, & the people who support the alternative explanation
    ( that is no airliners were hijacked )
    are staunch "LIBERALS" Prius driving, vegan
    ( etc..... ) never mind that Gage is a card carrying
    REPUBLICAN. There are people who are from
    all sorts of different positions, who hold membership in a variety of different clubs with divergent views.
    and still one thing these different people have in common,
    is the fact that we realize that 9/11 = lie.
    the mainstream media functions as a propaganda machine
    and its spewing crap to defraud & manipulate the masses.

    Lets get down to the foundation of the official story
    alleged radical Arabs hijacked airliners ( etc.... )
    didn't happen like that and I know there are all sorts of arguments about how could anyone even conceive of hatching the elaborate plot to deceive mass numbers of sentient beings. however, personal incredulity doesn't preclude it actually happening.

    The reason why WTC1,2 & 7 were completely destroyed, is the fact that here was a plan to have them destroyed, the belief that chaotic fires + damage from alleged airliner crashes caused the "collapse" of WTC 1, 2 in the manner that they did, and people are not questioning the lack of testing for explosives.
    quite frankly, this is mad!
     
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    All that incredulity and you didn't address the post you quoted.
     
  9. Gatewood

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    An entire nation watched two airliners hit two tall buildings standing side by side and all the special effects departments in the world with all the super computer systems at their command could not -- yet anyway -- so flawlessly duplicate all the details in such a manner that experts from around the world could not prove that it was faked. I don't mean conspiracy theorists 'proof' but hold up in a court of law under the scrutiny of the best experts in an entire industry proof. So what people saw on their television screens that day was real. The resulting two building collapses -- note that I do not speak for the other collapsed buildings -- can be perfectly explained via classical physics. End of that aspect of the story.

    Other aspects? Sure, release the conspiracy theorists on those; because in other respects there do remain unanswered questions; but not in the ones that I specifically just addressed.
     
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    wow, "impotent 'truther' cult"

    This is a heavy display of attitude.
    & its a problem, you see
    the reality is, the official story of 9/11/2001
    is a LIE, and the war profiteers are making
    big $$$ from the fact that so many people
    are buying into the fraud.
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    There you go,Assuming again with no proof
     
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    what part of my last contains assumptions?
    its a fact that the military industrial complex
    has been making $$$! from the 9/11/2001
    attack, yes it was a terrorist attack, however
    are we quite certain that we know who the
    real terrorists are?
     
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    The nation watched on TV
    the images alleged to have been commercial
    airliners.... Note that the North Tower strike
    was only recorded on one video, the South
    Tower strike, though recorded on several videos,
    is rather problematic. The alleged "FLT175"
    has the port side wing striking the wall significantly
    ahead of the starboard side wing, thus imposing
    non-symmetrical forces upon the aircraft, why did
    this not break up the airliner before it had a chance
    to completely penetrate the wall?
    Why did "FLT175" penetrate completely without
    slowing down at all? The entire event takes aprox
    0.380 sec for the aircraft to disappear inside the tower.

    People can react with incredulity
    and ask how can it be that a conspiracy to
    defraud the AMERICAN people could fake
    videos like this, but the fact is, that as presented
    the alleged "FLT175" violates the laws of physics.
     
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    The thread was supposed to be about the witnesses hiding out?
     
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    Post #26, the 'truther' goes off topic to try to boost the propaganda. Go get him, Boss.
     
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    Sorry about that. I got distracted.
     
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    I really don't spend too much time on the witnesses,
    they can be unreliable, and in fact wrong, and there
    is also the distinct possibly that some of the "witnesses"
    are simply lying. The hard evidence, the photographs,
    this is where the real INFORMATION lives.
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Shiny object? :grin:
     
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    Yep . . . :cool:
     
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    It's all simply a matter of trust then? We should all just trust the good people that tell us 9/11 was nothing nefarious at all, right?
     
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    That's okay. I just don't like to see anyone helping out those that seek to keep the conversations intentionally confused. Those guys do that pretty well on their own already. :)
     
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    Quite true. However, it's sometimes helpful to point out that these 'other' witnesses exist when some use that same kind of argument to justify their own brand of truth (especially when those same people trot out their own witnesses, and then claim any countering witness is either 'mistaken' or otherwise not valid).

    - - - Updated - - -

    The ridicule shines once again.
     
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    That wasn't directed at you,boss...:roll:
     
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    Why not?...you'd have us trust people who think there were no planes,explosives used,collusion by our own government in the attacks or directed energy weapons...
     
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    When the total of the info available, that is the videos, photos,
    not to mention the voids, the lack of information in certain areas,
    this total of the info points to a reasoned conclusion that the
    official explanation is a crock!

    Members of the commission to "investigate" the events,
    stated publicly they were SET UP TO FAIL.

    and there are people who hang on to the official story,
    what, .. because that is all they have, or they realize
    that if the official story is not true ( and it isn't ) then
    that clearly points to the fact that our "leaders" LIE
    to us and the mainstream media = propaganda machine.
     

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