Where Is The “Climate Emergency”?

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  1. bringiton

    bringiton Well-Known Member

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    "No empirical evidence that drought has gotten worse? Go out and create some!"
     
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  2. Sunsettommy

    Sunsettommy Well-Known Member

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    I forgot to reply this, does this mean you never read what NASA said about it?

    Researchers Detect a Global Drop in Fires

    Excerpt:

    Across the grasslands of Asia, the tropical forests of South America, and the savannas of Africa, shifting livelihoods are leading to a significant decline in burned area. Using NASA satellites to detect fires and burn scars from space, researchers have found that an ongoing transition from nomadic cultures to settled lifestyles and intensifying agriculture has led to a steep drop in the use of fire for land clearing and an overall drop in natural and human-caused fires worldwide.

    Globally, the total acreage burned by fires declined 24 percent between 1998 and 2015, according to a new paper published in Science. Scientists determined that the decline in burned area was greatest in savannas and grasslands, where fires are essential for maintaining healthy ecosystems and habitat conservation.

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    The NASA chart is very similar to the chart you mistakenly attacked.

    Being lazy is no excuse.

    Meanwhile the post one article CONTENT remains unchallenged
     
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  3. Death

    Death Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Zorro. The Global Warming is all a result of crazed leftists lighting fires. Thanks for that in depth analysis. I know it sure explains a lot to me and I thank you for it. That puts this topic to bed.

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    gfm7175 Well-Known Member

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    You think there's a problem?? You have to first define it...

    Define "global warming". Even though that's just a meaningless buzzword, I assume that you, as the Global Warming cult does, are making the claim that the Earth is increasing in temperature.

    Thus, this is the point where you need to describe the specific mechanism by which this "increase in temperature" is supposedly occurring, WITHOUT violating any laws of science, and provide me with a valid data set showing Earth increasing in temperature, WITHOUT violating any rules of statistical mathematics.

    I eagerly await your response.
     
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    Death Well-Known Member

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    You ask I define something clearly defined in public domain and repeatedly on this and other threads then in the very next sentence say the thing you ask me to define is a meaningless buzzword .

    What a childish response and this is precisely why there is an ignore button.
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    gfm7175 Well-Known Member

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    Yes. That is how intelligent discussion about a topic occurs.

    Where? I have only ever come across ONE valid definition for the term 'global warming', which is from the Global Warming Mythology Reference Manual, and reads:

    Global Warming: proper noun
    The Arch-villain of the Global Warming mythology; born out of unfettered capitalism, Global Warming acquires His power from "heat" produced by Greenhouse Effect. Global Warming is constantly at war with the goddess Climate,. His favorite weapons are CO2, methane, water vapor and greenhouse gas which he feeds to Greenhouse Effect in return for more "heat" and thus more power.

    If you have a different VALID definition for the term, then please provide it.

    Yup, and I still haven't received a valid definition in all the times I have asked, thus I will assume that the definition offered in The Manual (as referenced above) is what is being discussed here.

    ... because, outside of the above-mentioned definition, nobody has provided me with a valid definition for the term... They've only ever used it as a meaningless buzzword.

    Projection.

    I am asking for a clear definition of a specific term for the purpose of holding intelligent discourse about it.

    I am also asking, under the assumption that you are taking the position that "the Earth is warming", for a specific mechanism by which this alleged "warming" is occurring and for a valid data set showing that this alleged "warming" has in fact been occurring. I also specified that your response to me must adhere to all laws of science and rules of mathematics. --- Again, this all being required for the sole purpose of holding intelligent discourse about it.

    YOU, on the other hand, have evaded answering any of my questions and have only made mention of the ignore feature, which is a method of running away from intelligent discourse (and can thus be considered to be a "childish response").
     
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  7. Sunsettommy

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    He has been exposed which is why he ran out on you with an immature reply.

    Post One Article CONTENT continues to remain being unchallenged by warmist/alarmists who are TERRIFIED of the well supported reality posted within.
     
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    What exactly is that supposed to prove? The number of deaths says nothing about climate. We are far better prepared for things like hurricanes due to building codes and early warning capabilities. Less people die from heat because everyone has ACs

    Climate is getting hotter and oceans are rising. Whether or not its "man made" is another matter.
     
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  9. Sunsettommy

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    The chart is specific about it and from EMDAT that covers it, showing there is NO climate emergency as the death rate has dropped sharply by over 90%.

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    Parts of the world is getting COOLER and parts of the world is warming that destroys a single one climate argument. The climate in MY region is still the same as it was in 1964 when I moved there and actually the same for much further into the past as it has been hot and dry most of the time in the last 12,000 years.

    It is currently COOLING and has been for about 7 years now but overall the warming trend since 1979 is .13C/decade.

    Sea level rise is slow and small compared to catastrophic sea level rise early in the Holocene where there are many buried cities offshore today and Doggerland was covered over.
     
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    It does not say anything about climate. It simply says more people died 100 years ago, and IMO it has more to do with advances in technology than anything else (building codes, early warning systems, air conditioning, medical care, irrigation systems).

    Cool beans. Us here in South Florida are spending big money raising seawalls to combat rising sea waters.

    The temps during the holocene were 1-2 degrees warmer than now, so its getting close at this time.
     
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    tJust finished this book. Kooning does a spectacular job of rationally and concisely dismantling the popular AGW arguments such as more storms, rising oceans, elevated temps, etc. His descriptions of energy balances and complexities of what is actually occurring in the atmosphere are great and easy to read. My highest recommendation.
     
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    The struggle continues.
     
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    You write:

    The chart is specifically saying the death rate dropped sharply over 90 years' time, it is in the BLUE which you keep missing:

    CLIMATE RELATED DEATHS/MILLION

    Floods, Droughts, Storms, Wildfires, Extreme Temperatures


    Sure, I agree that Technology plays a major part in reducing the death rate, but you are missing the point here since warmist/alarmists all over place are claiming climate emergency against that very data of the chart which shows there is NO climate emergency since the death rate has dropped 90%

    That isn't climate change just a slow sea level rise encroaching a flat state of Florida that is barely above sea level it was around 1-2 meters higher earlier in the Holocene.
     
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    Similar advances should have similar effects wrt other disasters, but the graph shows the death rates from them have not plummeted.
    Sea level has been rising gradually at similar rates for thousands of years.
    So increased solar activity having returned the earth to more normal Holocene temperatures cannot be considered unexpected or unnatural.
     
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    But also, more people die from heat because there are far more very old people whose bodies can't regulate their temperature as well as younger people's can.
     
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    Fatalities from volcanoes have always been low. Your point?

    My words: "whether or not the warming is man-made is another issue".

    Old people are able to crank up the AC as well as the young ones.
     
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    Actually, some people think a volcano almost exterminated the entire human species 70-odd thousand years ago.
    Whatever the level of deaths, if it is advances in medicine, engineering, etc. that have saved people from climate disasters, they should have had similar effects regarding other disasters.
    Is that the new definition of "middle-class American"? "Someone who doesn't realize there are people who don't have AC"? One reason the very old are more vulnerable is that they don't even perceive the heat as excessive.
     
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    The chart in question went back to 1920.

    I don't see how. I also don't think your chart is accurate, since it shows no change in 2004 when 400 000 people died in a tsunami.

    I didn't say anything about any 'class' of Americans. 90% of Americans have Air Conditioning
     
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    For the record:
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    How many people died in the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami? Nearly 230,000 people died in the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami, making it one of the deadliest disasters in modern history.Dec 26, 2019

    2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami: Facts, FAQs, and how to help
    https://www.worldvision.org › disaster-relief-news-stories
     
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    The risk from volcanoes is very large, but only shows up over very long time frames -- though not as large or as long as the risk from asteroid impacts.
    The chart Sunsettommy posted was smoothed over decades to show the average risk.
    It's apparently 87%, and the fraction is far lower in Europe, which had the recent heatwave the anti-CO2 hysteria crowd is screaming about.
     
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    Yes, Fewer than 10% of households in Europe are air-conditioned, and the 2003 heat wave killed 70 000 people. That's more than US lost in Vietnam over 10 years. Thousands have died this year, and we are still in July.
     
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    Heatwaves were killing tens or hundreds of thousands of people in Europe centuries ago, before CO2 could possibly have been a factor. To claim that this time it must have been caused by CO2 is absurd, anti-scientific nonsense.
     
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    As I said, technology is saving lot of lives these days. even if Europeans don't have ACs in every room (north Europe simple do not need them), they have places to go which are air conditioned. And even if you get a heat stroke, it is much more treatable now than then.

    Where did I say anything about CO2? I specifically said that the cause (man-made or natural) is another issue.
     
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    But by the same token, there are far more very old people whose body temperature regulation is faulty, making then far more likely to die of heat (or cold) than the population 100 years ago..
    But the cause is the relevant issue. People dying because they are just too old to survive a normal heatwave is very different from people dying because it is hotter than a normal heatwave.
     

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