Where is the answer to this mess?

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  1. 2ndclass289

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    Right here: government overreach can’t be emphasized enough. Also politicians need to be held accountable for their actions.
     
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    Do you "got it"?

    Michelle imposed a system globally with the intent to have a positive impact. What's the correct amount of positive impact she could have created that would have made any negative outcomes that were realized acceptable? Is it okay for some children to starve if some lose 10 pounds? What's the correct starve to weight loss ratio that makes her policy change perfect?

    No amount. The best you can do is make local policy with local knowledge. The most local knowledge exists within the individual, but that is not practical. Least practical is a policy that applies globally to everyone.
     
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    The cheif product of big government is unintended consequences.
     
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    That can still be done today. One parent with marketable skills, the other parent staying home raising the kids, the family making smart decisions and being frugal... yep, it can still be done.
     
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    There are distinctions between needs and addictions, but suppose I modify the sentence:

    IMO, almost everyone would agree that transferring more money and power to them individually, to meet some of their critical human needs would be in their personal best interests - for instance, healthcare and education.
     
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    I think each of us just needs to do it. Take your sample ballot and do an internet search on every candidate. It takes less time than doing your taxes to complete basic research before voting. Many of us have a group of friends that don't feel like doing that kind of work, but, I've found that they want to know what I found, so, once I make my decisions, I just text them the list of who I decided to support and they use that as a voters guide.
     
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    And there in lies the rub 1 person's idea of good government may well be another's idea of utter tyranny.
     
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    Tribes fail when the members don't trust each other. Members of the tribe lose trust in each other when some members are hard working producers and the others are lazy parasites who feel entitled to the products of the producers. When those who try to support the tribe discover that they are being taken advantage of, the tribe dissolves. And that is where we are today.
     
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    Well finally we agree. We have deliberately disabled our citizens via the Welfare State. Our insistence that people don't need to strive to survive, has created terrible apathy.

    And we agree that much can be done about it. Dismantle the Welfare System for starters. Rebuild aid in a much more just and respectful form, as per the model wherein applicants must demonstrate a history of financial responsibility - just as they would when applying for a mortgage.
     
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    That's exactly what I said in my post!!! Didn't you read it? The entire third point was about that.

    Personal circumstances are NOT the same thing as system obstacles. They're not relevant, at all.
     
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    Yet the Soviet Union collapsed. Leftists inability to leave well enough alone always guarantees their eveventual failure.
     
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    I'm not following what the collapse of the Soviet Union has to do with what's happening in the US right now. It seems those are totally different causes.
     
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    Yes, unless you do it perfectly, you should not do it at all. Got it.
     
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    Yes they are.
     
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    Leftist chasing power is the problem here as it was the problem there. Leftist are always chasing power never mind that the power they seek is only a more attractive than usual chimaera.
     
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    There's no reality in which resources exist to service seven billion variants.
     
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    You think so? Well my personal circumstances don't allow me to run a large business and live by the sea. What are you going to do about it?
     
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    Only if you actually believe they're unitended.

    And given that the particular consequences can be understood by your dog, what are the chances?
     
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    We know, for all the imagined victimhood and conspiracy y'all have created. That is why so many voted against your kind in 2016 and 2018 and then came out in unprecedented numbers in 2020. And it has finished dividing the nation completely.

    The issue with this nation is that a sizable but dying vocal minority have lost control of what they believes belongs to them.

    I think we will see significant change as the elderly finally release their death grip of governance.
     
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    It's being done all the time. Plenty of families doing just that. Even working class families!
     
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    Big tough guy on an internet forum...
     
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    I don’t see how you feel anything in my post was indicative of a “tough guy”.
    I am not the one running around screaming civil war because they lost an election.

    Must have touched a nerve.
     
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    Nothing.
     
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    But you're saying people with personal circumstances they don't care for, should be helped, no?

    Or do you agree that that should never be a criteria for public assisstance?
     
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    Yep.
     

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