Where is the answer to this mess?

No one in America "can't" do it. When it's possible to buy a house for $5k, all you have are excuses. Determination can put even the poorest American into a $5k house - mortage free. It takes time and much effort, but it can be done. And since it can be done, not doing it is a freely made choice.

 

You think it is fewer, so any indication of higher than you think MUST be wrong.

LOL!!

 

Nope, that's you guys.

 

When you spend a million bucks on something, and don't actually end up with anything at the end of it, you've essentially wasted a million dollars on a luxury. It's irrelevant that you obtained shelter from it, because you can obtain shelter by owning your home. You CHOSE to give yourself shelter in the most expensive way possible - when much cheaper options exist. That's 'luxury' by any definition.

 

Totally wrong.

 

Our coasts, in fact the coasts of the world, are disproportionately high in population.

And, were the people are is also where the jobs are.

 

No waste, no I didn't, and it's not luxury.

 

But you can't name a fact. Any fact.

 

what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

Searching for a place where housing is essentially free is NOT a valid approach to this problem.

Let's remember that the jobs are where the people actually want to live.

And, when people actually want to live there, housing costs are not free like that.

 

Water is one oxygen and two hydrogen atoms.

 

They were all free to conduct their lives with that end in mind, back when they were teenagers or at whatever point they started making the choices which lead to homelessness. My kids made their choices in their mid teens - and have subsequently stayed at home so they can pay off student loans and save for property. They weren't born to privilege or money, and we (their parents) haven't given them a cent. All they did differently to peers who might end up in poverty, was exercise self-discipline with specific goals in mind. Self-discipline is FREELY AVAILABLE to anyone who wants things which require work and commitment. The poorest and least educated have just as much access to it as anyone else.

 

This is a total dodge and absolutely false as well.

It makes no difference AT ALL what your kids did. They could NOT be more irrelevant.

You want to blame those who struggle. I see that as not just stupid, but absolutely disgusting.

 

So renters gain no equity as they pay rent, but owners do gain equity as they pay their mortgage. Even better is the industrious guy who builds most of his home himself and saves that cost. Poor people certainly have the avenues to become well off, it just takes a lot of hard work and sacrifice. That's why it seems so rare for that to happen. Much easier to sit on one's ass and mooch off the productive.

 

Three more excuses! You're doing well. So far, you've refused every suggested pathway out of poverty via the 'too hard' defence.

Are you genuinely unable to see WHY we have to accept that renting is a choice .. when every time an alternative is offered, it's turned down for reasons of personal aversion?

Every time you do this (respond with "it's too hard"), you confirm that what I'm saying is 100% correct.

 

False.

Suggesting that those working full time jobs while living paycheck to paycheck have the knowledge and wealth to work construction to create their own homes is one of the most idiotic things anyone has said on this thread.

 

No, your ideas absolutely do NOT form a path away from renting.

And, you have totally failed to recognize ANY of the reasons that people rent.

And on a personal note, I have not ONCE said anything was "too hard", so how about veering back toward the truth?? I really hate it when those who have NO knowledge of what they are talking about, like you, claim I said stuff I didn't say as their cheap way of avoiding reality.

 

1) Irrelevant whether they're my kids, or some sample group. The point is that the average 16 year old can make two choices. They can choose to plan for and diligently work towards their goals - or they can choose to let life happen to them, assuming they needn't make careful choices or sacrifice anything to preserve themselves.

2) Depends on what you think 'struggle' is. Those who practice immense self-discipline, work hard, and go without for years to ensure security for themselves and their family, are who struggle. Those who make little effort in any of those areas, and who blow every dollar that comes in on fast food, beer, good times, high rents etc .. are NOT struggling. That's the opposite of struggle.

FTR, championing those who don't struggle, yet expect others to struggle on their behalf - is absolutely disgusting.

 

The fact of the matter is that a decreasing percentage of 30 year olds are looking to own their own homes.

"At age 30, 42 percent of millennials own homes, compared to 48 percent of Gen Xers and 51 percent of boomers when they were the same age, the report said."
https://www.inman.com/2021/02/09/nearly-1-in-5-millennials-have-given-up-on-homeownership/

THAT is the trend. And, there are reasons for that trend. You need to include reality when you start pontificating concerning what OTHER PEOPLE must do.

 

Paying rent is not mooching.

 

So do you see why it hardly ever happens? People like you are constantly telling the poor that it is impossible and can't be done. You have absolutely zero faith in people - apparently they are helpless imbeciles who cannot take care of themselves?

Crank has given much good advice for people who want to get out of poverty. It can be done if one works hard, sacrifices up front, and makes good decisions. That you say it can't be done is actually the most idiotic thing on this thread. And it is sad that you don't believe in the abilities of others.

 

This kind of nonsense does NOT answer ANY question.

Again, you are working to form an excuse for blaming those who are struggling. And, you are doing that without even giving ONE THOUGHT to what is behind the struggle.

 

Obviously the mooching wasn't referring to renters, it referred to poor people who make no effort to remove themselves from that condition because it is "too hard."

 

OK, you really need to stop thinking that you know ANYTHING AT ALL about me.

And, Crank's "advice" is abject BS. His whole focus has been on figuring out ways to blame those who are working, but are barely making the cost of living.

It is HE who demonstrates how much he hates those people. In fact, he wants it to be POLICY to hate those people.

 

1) Owning property means not RENTING property. Why even bother saying something this silly?

2) They're all excuses. There are no 'reasons' that we don't create for ourselves, to justify not doing it.

3) Doesn't matter whether you used those words. When every possible option is met with 'can't be done because XYZ', it proves there is no real intention. Poor people who are determined to own property recognise that it's going to be hard, but they do it anyway. The difference is that owning property is more important to them than the discomfort of the sacrifices they'll have to make. Renters who claim it's all too hard simply don't want to own property - or rather, they don't want the difficulty that goes with achieving it. The evidence for that is in their actions. If they claim to want to own property, yet regularly spend money on non-essentials, they're not in the least bit serious. They're merely uttering the fantasies they have no intention of realising.