Where should we treat the unvaxxed?

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  1. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So, I wouldn't deny care for anybody if the person shows up and asks for care, but I'm sure the unvaxxed who get a bad case of Covid-19 are very uncomfortable with going to our hospitals and seeing the doctors and nurses who believe in science and promote the vaccines and, you know, have effective and authorized/approved medications such as monoclonal antibodies, Remdesivir, the soon to be approved oral antivirals molnupiravir and Paxlovid, dexamethasone, enoxaparin, etc., which all do work according to randomized controlled trials, rather than hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin that don't work except in the imagination of anti-vaxxers and in flawed and recalled (for data fraud) studies. So hospitals are literally filled with professionals they don't trust, that is, us, the people who actually went to medical school and nursing school and have been doing this for a living for decades.

    So, since I'm very compassionate and don't want my patients to be uncomfortable from not trusting me and my nurses, here is what I propose:

    We should set up tent hospitals for the unvaxxed who don't trust us. Instead of doctors and nurses, they'd have there people equipped with devices to do google searches for how to care for them, since they trust a google search more than the learned professionals. Except that maybe we could hire a couple of veterinarians to provide horse-intended doses of ivermectin given that they've all flocked to pharmacies and the human preparations are out of stock (a blackboard with the number to call for the Poison Control Center should be placed in a visible location inside the tent hospital, er, just in case). Borax baths would be available too as well as bleach and UV lights to go into their lungs.

    The director of the tent hospital would be Joe Rogan.

    I ran this idea by Aaron Rodgers and he got really enthusiastic about it, and even gave me a suggestion: we should hire Jake from State Farm to design the treatment protocol for the non-vaxxed "immunized."
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    I've not taken the clot shots, and my health is fine, but I take vitamin and mineral supplements. My doctor says my immune system is robust.
     
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    So are you now against freedom of choice about what people do with their own bodies? Have dr.'s never prescribed things that can be harmful to people? What about all the drugs that are pulled from the market years after they are released because it's discovered they can be harmful? Are we supposed to trust dr.'s and nurses 100% and never question anything?

    That answer is no.

    And to you, what is the difference between a vaccinated and unvaccinated patient who presents severe covid symptoms?
     
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    What to do with "smart" doctors when they catch COVID
    I think mandatory jail time would be perfect.
     
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    Interesting idea. Maybe instead of the firing the medical care workers that refused the vaccine they could have them work in these tent centers. That way there would still be a level of professional care and the patients would not care if the health care workers are not vaccinated.

    Actually you could go one step further and dedicate an entire hospital and hire un-vaccinated workers like janitors, receptionist, security, cafeteria workers, gift store employees etc... The could lead to a whole new type of segregation where other businesses follow suit. Restaurants where all the waiting staff, chefs, cashiers etc... are unvaccinated and they welcome maskless unvaccinated patrons. Same thing with movie theaters, gyms, supermarkets, schools etc... Eventually neighborhoods and condo buildings...
     
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    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Great. All these places would become superspreader centers and a lot of these people would die, thus cutting on salaries and benefitting businesses that wouldn't need to pay as many people. Great for the economy. Brilliant idea!

    Maybe we could go a step further. We could purchase a large island for them, and they'd go there and found their own country.

    They'd name their country, The United States of Anti-Science Covid-19 Lovers. No vaccines of any kind would be permitted there. Wearing a mask would be a capital offense. No doctors would be permitted; medical care would be handled by Google searches.

    Too bad that this country would only thrive for a few years, until the whole population got decimated by measles, mumps, tetanus, polio, TB, Covid-19, Ebola, etc. Or else, the island would be swallowed by the rising sea level due to global warming. Good riddance either way.

    I'd say, Joe Rogan for President, Aaron Rodgers for VP, Antonio Brown for Secretary of Health, and Carlson Tucker for Secretary of Education.

    The big advantage of getting a new country for them is that we'd get rid of all these stupid jerks.
     
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    Oops, I meant Tucker Carlson.

    Medical care based on Google searches: I hope there are good YouTube videos with tutorials teaching completely lay people how to perform brain surgery. It can't be that difficult, right?
     
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    That there will be unvaxed people who will sooner or later catch Covid is undeniable. Meantime they are living their lives without much of the restriction that is being imposed on those who have complete faith in the message. You, in your capacity as a Dr will be treating some unvaxed and some vaxed folks.

    An interesting view of it just popped up in the NFK. Arron Rogers was shamed and attacked because he didn't get vaxed. Since then, we have had some important folks such as the Coach of the Dallas Cowboys and some players lose time on the job because they got Covid. No fuss, no shame so I guess they had the jab. Why is Aaron Rogers such a pariah?

    You're kicking up a storm here pushing the shot but the people who are filling our facilities may or may not have had the shot. I believe the shot can help mitigate the illness which is why I took the booster, but I don't think it's the end all solution that I believe it was sold to be initially. I believe the fight over treatment is doing more damage to this country than the disease. We're going to get through this virus attack but I'm not sure we are going to shake off the effects of authoritarian decrees.
     
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    People performed successful brain surgeries tens of thousands of years ago using primitive tools. ;)
    It’s a historic fact. :oldman:
     
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    LOL. What was the death rate in those procedures? 99%, and 1% were "successful"?
    Look, let's say a child of yours has a brain tumor, God forbid. Would you take her to a Board-Certified neurosurgeon, or to someone doing a Google search on how people did it with primitive tools?
     
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    Theres plenty of small practices where vaccination isnt viewed as the only viable means to avoid infection. All we need to do is allow them to advertize themselves as alternatives. As it is, they get banned from all major sources of publicity, so many people dont know what their options are. People would go to these places instead if they were allowed to know about them.
     
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    Ya know, this drivel belies the real reason most people are against getting the shot. I would have thought this stinking mound of bovine excrement beneath a real physician fwiw. The fact is that many people simply do not trust the big Pharma machine - and for good f**king reason, I might add. It is NOT unreasonable to demand more data on long term effects of a novel treatment. It is NOT true that most "anti-vaxxers" (a childish pejorative btw) are tin foil hat wearing rubes. There is rational reason for caution - ESPECIALLY in young and healthy individuals (like a professional athlete and also - children). You can bitch and moan all you like about laymen not accepting your professional opinion but you can't deny that your colleagues have given plenty of justification for people to be skeptical.
     
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    doctors in US is all about profit, so any word from "so called doctor" is essentially a garbage
     
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    Isn't that the whole point of a capitalist society. As much as I love my job I wouldn't do it for free and people trust my professional opinion. I am sure you will find a few people that work for free like volunteers but the rest of us, like those doctors, rely on money.

    BTW: Do you not have a doctor???
     
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    Yes, sure as long as you do not join the government to push your product as mandatory.
    The concept is simple if you are for profit, then there should be no place for you in the government.
    Doctors are protected from competition by the government, and at the same time they are for profit.
    Government gives doctors opportunity for unlimited profit by reducing the number of physicians on the market.'

    Either way you slice it we cannot risk our health and trust to those who are in the business of making money.
     
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    In a hospital. With everyone else.
     
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    Are you speaking of people like Rand Paul??? There are many elected officials that were Doctors. I do not think, and please correct me if I am wrong, there are any that still have a practice while serving. I am sure they could resume a practice once they leave office.
     
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    But Ron Paul is doing opposite, he is pushing against that vaccination insanity.
     
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    Rand Paul is just one of many elected officials that are Doctors. I am sure some are for it.

    The problem is you are now mixing partisan views with policy. I can respect that you could hold a stance that "No Doctors Allowed to Be Elected" due the the financial bias of their profession but once you start cherry picking the Doctors you agree with it is just tribalism.

    Also I think if you were to take this approach more professions than Doctors might have to be included. What about people that work in professions with government contracts etc... Should those Goldman Sachs executives be electable? What about people with ties to military contracts?
     
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    Yea, but those are not pushing for "vaccinations", they are just doing their jobs, they also might work as an experts.
    I understand that it is a grey area, e.g. government bans access to Medicare for majority of people to promote private Health insurers.
     
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    Charming. Let's next exclude from the standard of care, those who drink carbonated beverages, eat fast food, all the usual unhealthy food lists. Those who way a stone or two more than what the medical world deems healthy, those with autoimmune issues, those who have congenital disorders. Let's not forget those who have a few extra chromsones, either.

    I pretty much figure I made your ignore list when I presented a situation that your one-size-fits all answers couldn't address, but I'll post anyway.

    You've unfortunately developed an idea that there is only one answer to the issue, and that's your answer. Here's a bit of a clue about actual, real science. There are always exceptions, science is never, ever 'settled' and keeping an open mind to new developments is a sign of an intelligent mind.
     
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    I lol'd. Getting frustrated @CenterField ?

    In another thread, I've got someone telling me that Australia shouldn't be allowed to make quarantine rules for people who enter their country.

    On my CRUISE forum, of all places, people are spouting this nonsense. Their posts are getting deleted, of course, because it's a CRUISE forum.

    There's no escaping conspiracy theories anymore. We, as a society, are embracing the dumb on an exponentially increasing basis.
     
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    That is a huge over simplification.

    The many dissenters from the madness of the AMA, such as Peter McCullough and Simone Gold, have been speaking the truth for the last year. They are quickly slandered by the media and often prosecuted or threatened with loss of license by the medical industrial complex.

    My doctor has told me what I already knew, that the masks are nonsense and the shots are very dangerous. He emphasizes nutrition.
     
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    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What do you mean, me getting frustrated, or someone getting frustrated with me? (You could be responding to someone I have on Ignore, so I'd be only seeing one side of the conversation).
     
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