Which is more compassionate, Trump's wall or Jesus' wall?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by FreedomSeeker, Oct 23, 2018.

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Bonus poll: do you condemn Trump's (and to be intellectually honest) Jesus' wall?

  1. Yes, I condemn them both - Trump hates Latinos, and Jesus hates all Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.

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  2. No - I want to KEEP OUT Latinos, AND all Muslims, and Hindus, and Buddhists...they are undesirables!

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  1. FreedomSeeker

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    Trump wants a big wall to keep out undesirables (Latinos). Jesus allegedly also has a wall around his own country ("heaven"), just like Trump - to keep out undesirables (all Muslims, all Hindus, all Buddhists, etc.....even ethical ones - kind of the ultimate in bigotry.)
    Jesus needs a gate/fence (to heaven) to keep out the undesirables that he's not going to turn back to Honduras, but rather to send to brutal torture in "hell". So Trump seems far more ethical than Jesus, no?

    Jesus says "can't have that unethical/evil Dalai Lama entering our gated-community, now can we - build the wall!"

    Question: which wall is more compassionate, Trump's wall, or Jesus' wall (fence)?

    Me, I'm more loving than Trump and Jesus, obviously, and not a supremacist like they both are, so I opt for more loving policies than those two bigots want.

    How about you?

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    ararmer1919 Banned

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    Jesus tap dancing Christ people like you actually exist.
     
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    Where exactly am I wrong? Be precise....if you dare.
     
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    I didn't know that Jesus had TIME to take out of his busy schedule of sending Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists to brutal torture in "hell" to get in some dance time.
     
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    I’m not a big fan of dealing with blatant bigotry and all that. I just like to call it out and move on. No point in actually trying to reason with it.
     
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    Clearly you can't counter my points - you lose the debate. Yes, clearly Jesus is worse than Trump - Trump doesn't send those he rejects from entering to barbaric torture (in "hell") like the barbarian Jesus does. Trump is more loving than Jesus. Both have a wall - to keep out undesirables, no matter how ethical they might be.

    Both hate, however: Trump hates Latinos, and Jesus hates most everybody (well, he's a supremacist for those that suck up to him, however.)
     
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    Look if you’re going to bigotedly slander entire religious groups you could at least put in some effort to learn the bare minimum of what the hell you're talking about. Christ has no dectation of who does or does not get into Heaven. In fact Christ sacrificed himself so that ALL people could enter into Heaven regardless of what sins or religious beliefs they may have had. He didn’t die just for straight white men or whatever stupid thing you have come up with. ALL people.
     
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    I would let the ethical Muslims, ethical Hindus, ethical Buddhist INTO "heaven" if I were Jesus, so obviously JESUS is the "bigot" (as you mentioned), and clearly not me. Can we both agree that you would also let ethical Muslims, ethical Hindus, and ethical Buddhists into "heaven" (if it exists) if you had Jesus' alleged magic super-powers? It's a real simple question, but I'm not confident that you can answer it ethically.

    Hopefully I'm wrong, however.
     
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    You missed the verses that say that ONLY CHRISTIANS get into heaven:
    Acts 4:12, 2 Thessalonians 1:1-10, John 3:18, John 10:27-28, Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8, John 5:2, John 3:36, John 6:47, Acts 16:31, Romans 10:9, Revelation 19:20, 20:10,14-15, 21:8, John 15:6: Jesus said “Unless a person remains united with me, he is thrown away like a branch and dries up. Such branches are gathered and thrown into the fire, where they are burned up."
     
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    There is no debate and there never was or will be one if the extent of your “argument” is what is in the op. It is just blatant bigotry not based in reality or logic no different then the type you see slandered against Jews or Muslims or blacks or gays. There is no point in having a rational discussion with someone who’s view point isn’t based in even the remotest sense of reality.
     
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    There’s only one person being a bigot here and that is clearly you. And I’ll answer your question once you learn what the **** you are trying to babble about.
     
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    I'm not slandering entire religious groups, JESUS is the one who does that - that hateful bigot won't even let ethical Buddhists into his magic invisible never-land up in the sky!

    You dodged this question, and I know why: "Can we both agree that you would also let ethical Muslims, ethical Hindus, and ethical Buddhists into "heaven" (if it exists) if you had Jesus' alleged magic super-powers?" I believe that you are more ethical than Jesus, because I know you can answer "yes" to the question....someday.
     
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    Here's the "facts", from the Bible: apparently you missed these: Acts 4:12, 2 Thessalonians 1:1-10, John 3:18, John 10:27-28, Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8, John 5:2, John 3:36, John 6:47, Acts 16:31, Romans 10:9, Revelation 19:20, 20:10,14-15, 21:8, John 15:6: Jesus said “Unless a person remains united with me, he is thrown away like a branch and dries up. Such branches are gathered and thrown into the fire, where they are burned up."
     
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    At no point in time does it say you have to be a Christian. That word didn’t even exist at that time. Damn you really need to study up on things before you try and slander it. Makes you look foolish.
     
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    You lose.
     
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    Stop spamming your own thread lmfao. Damn you are desperate to get as much hate out as possible aren’t you?
     
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    What the hell is THIS ABOUT THEN!!? "Unless a person remains united with me, he is thrown away like a branch and dries up. Such branches are gathered and thrown into the fire, where they are burned up."
    Buddhist don't "remain united with" Jesus - they might not have even heard of him. So they get burned up in the lake of fire!
     
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    There was never a contest. You aren’t even a player let alone a participant. You don’t even know what the hell youre talking about. Like for example the tiny little detail about how Christ isn’t the one who dictates who does or doesn’t enter Heaven. Funny how you refuse to address that... probably cause it gets in the way of your blatant bigotry.
     
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    umm... I guess you're not really. Just that you don't come to any conclusion. Your question asks what is different, but that's just a question.

    There are no wrong questions.

    If you're really curious ( I know you're not ) then you would examine the differences between American citizenship and getting into heaven, would explain how those seeming differences are not really different at all, and then use that as a basis for your argument that both are the same.

    You didn't, which kinda screams lefty. Intellectual laziness is your hallmark.
     
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    If you had Jesus' magic super-Ninja powers, would YOU try to change the rules so that ethical Hindus would indeed get into "heaven" and avoid savage barbaric torture in the god-created "lake of fire"? I assume that you are as ethical as I am, right?
     
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    So now you’re calling me a Nazi who worshipers Hitler. Good. Least now i have some pretty good ammo to take to the mods. Hopefully we can get you the time out you need so you can think about all the hate you have in your heart for people with beliefs that differ from your own
     
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    My conclusion is the Trump is better than Jesus (or, uh, more accurately, that Jesus is worse than even Trump.)
     
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    No, I'm NOT calling you a Nazi, just saying that the facts of the Bible mean nothing to you regarding Jesus/Christianity (like a Nazi can't see the truth about Hitler, ever, you seem to not be able to see the truth about Jesus even when I give you verse after verse showing that non-Christians get brutal torture thanks to the "loving" God/Jesus.)
    I don't hate people who think differently, I just want to make those that can't bring themselves to condemn Jesus' hatred of all non-Christians realize that they are immoral.
     
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    This is hilarious!
     
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    So again, you do understand that Christ was tortured, crucified and killed LITERALLY to do EXACTLY what you just asked. So now by your own stated definition you must believe Christ is an ethical person because not only did he fight to change the rules he also, gladly and willingly, suffered unimaginable horror to do so. These are facts that you cannot deny and again it is by your very definition that they exist.
     

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